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Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby IPC » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:34 pm

Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites

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Please review the historical article:


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Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites
Susians are not Semites or Hemites
Ahreeman X
February 28, 2012

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Iranian Susian Soldier Early 6th Century BC

Prologue

The discovery of the roots of Susa and Susians who were the first Iranian civilization going back to 8000 years has created a controversy. In this paper for once and for all I will resolve this controversy.

Scientific Historians versus Traditional Historians

Traditional Historians
Traditional Historians write history according to what they have learned from the stories told to them from generation to generation going back all the way to the Exaggerating Greek Liars AKA Historians. Traditional Historians have nothing new to say or write but the same old stories which they have learned in school and from their fathers and grand fathers. Traditional Historians view the history as Dogma and never changing facts which will remain the same forever.

Scientific Historians
Scientific Historians write history according to the latest archeological, anthropological, geographical, historical and scientific discoveries. Scientific Historians view history as a living and changing science. What today is considered a historical fact may tomorrow not be one. History changes and evolves like every other element in our universe.

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Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites
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Re: Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites

Postby CR » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:15 am

Fight Anti Iranian and Ignorant Iranian Susa Truthers

We are not Arabs, We are Iranians

Hello:

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Susa’s Susian Iranian Statues giving the Ancient Persian Salute with their right hands.
Ancient Persian Salute, Iranian Celebrations, Nowruz, Amu Nowruz, Haji Firuz and many other Iranian Traditions’ roots goes back to the Susa Era.


We should insist and spread the word on this issue:

Susa is not Elam
Susians are not Elamites


The so-called historians are trying to portray Iranians as Arabs, Semites and Hemites.

Spread the word
Fight Anti Iranian and Ignorant Iranian Susa Truthers

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Re: Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites

Postby Ahreeman X » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:31 pm

Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!
New Anti Iranian Campaign

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Karibu Shah Shushinak the 1st Shah of Iran from Susa Dynasty 3750 BC
Turned Susa City State (6000 BC - 3750 BC) to Susa Kingdom (3750 BC - 539 BC)


Folks,

The latest tactic of the Susa Truthers, either the Anti Iranian Crowd or the Ignorant Iranian Crowd (IRI Goons, Arab Worshipers and Half Breed Iranian Muslims) is to deny that Susa Civilization is 8000 years old!

They do not reject that Susa existed and exists but they deny the length of the civilization. Despite the evidence and historical knowledge, they insist that Susa was not a civilization of 8000 years old:

Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/susa-elam/index.htm

8000 Years of Iranian History
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/eng ... /index.htm

Iran History Index
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/index.htm

We have already discussed on what is Civilization?

What is Civilization?
viewtopic.php?p=7163#p7163

E-mails to Ahreeman X Thread
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1466

Do not mistake existence of the “Local Cultures” with the Civilization (City States, Kingdoms and Empires). To have a civilization, various elements must be present:

Elements of Civilization

* Domestication of Animals and Cattle Industry
* Agriculture and Farming
* Existence of a Society
* Social Laws
* Judicial Laws
* Economical Laws and Tax Codes
* Complex Human Social Patterns

And so on

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Iranian Susian War Chariot

Was Susa a Civilization?

That is the question! Now let us dig deeper:

We say that Susa Civilization of 8000 years old including by the historical order:

Susa Culture
Susa Civilization
Susa City State
Susa Kingdom
Susa Empire


Started its existence far from 8000 years ago; however, Susa became a Civilization (City State) about 8000 years ago:

Persian City State
6000 BC - 3750 BC
Susa City State (6000 BC - 3750 BC)
Iran has 8000 years of history, oldest civilization on Earth.
From 6000 BC to 3750 BC, The first civilization in Iran (Susa) was a City State and ruled by Governors.
Some Governors were subject rulers, some autonomous, and some independent.
Shimbi-ish-Khuk Governor of Susa [Under Babylon] (Before 3750 BC)

And then, Susa City State became Susa Kingdom:

Persian Ancient Kingdom
3750 BC - 539 BC
First King of Iran (Persian Kingdom)
Kingdom of Susa
Karibu-Sha-Shushinak also known as Shushinak (3750 BC), son of Shimbi-ish-Khuk (patesi of Susa, governor of the land of Elam), at First was a subject ruler Under Babylon, then he became an independent Sha (Shah), The Shah of Susa [First Shah of Iran]. Before this period, there were Governors ruling Susa, not Shahs. After this date, Susa became an independent kingdom. Shushinak built many temples and wrote many inscriptions. Shushinak started the Kingdom of Iran. Karibu Sha was the first Sha (Shah) of Iran. After him, many Susa Dynasties ruled Iran. Susa Kingdom reign ended by start of the Achaemenid Empire.

Observe:

Iran Dynasties and Monarchs of 8000 Years
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/ira ... /index.htm

Why do we state that Susa was a Civilization?

Were the preconditions for existence of civilization existed?
Well, let’s see:

We want to prove that Susa was a civilization at 6000 BC (8000 years ago). Let’s roll:

Historical Facts

Let us review some important factors to help us comprehend why Susa was a civilization at 6000 BC:

9000 BC: Wild Sheep and Ram flocks were managed and herded in the Zagros Mountains areas of Iraq and Iran (Susa Civilization Boundary)

9000 BC – 8000 BC: Primitive agriculture including cultivation of the wild cereals were practiced in the “Fertile Crescent Area” (Mesopotamia) and Susa.

8000 BC – 7700 BC: Agriculturally speaking, wheat and barley were domesticated in the “Fertile Crescent Area” (Mesopotamia) and Susa.

8000 BC – 6000 BC: Susa domesticated and widely used donkeys, dogs, camels, goats, pigs and sheep

8000 BC – 6000 BC: Susa domesticated and widely farmed barley, dates, lentils, onions, peas and wheat

8000 BC – 6000 BC: Susa transformed to a major agricultural society

7000 BC: Pottery was made in Susa

7000 BC – 4000 BC: Usage of Potter’s Wheel spread through Susa.

6500 BC: Linen was made in Susa

6300 BC: Textile manufacturing was visible in Susa.

6200 BC: Copper Smelting became popular in Susa

6000 BC: Susa became a center for copper and bronze metallurgy

6000 BC: Cattle Domestication, herding industry and shepherding was officially visible in Susa.

5000 BC: Irrigation Agriculture becomes the norm in Susa.

4500 BC: Adoption of plow was visible in Susa

4000 BC: Wool was made in Susa

4000 BC – 3000 BC: Wheeled Vehicles usage spread throughout Susa.

3800 BC: Bronze working became popular in Susa and Susa invented her own techniques of bronze casting.

Eventually by 6000 BC, the Susa culture became the Susa City State and then became the Susa Kingdom and then the Susa Empire.

If all the above historical facts are not the evidence that by 6000 BC, Susa was a Civilization, then I do not know what is?!

Pictorial History of Iranian Military Uniforms: Chapter 1: Susian Uniforms
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/U01- ... /index.htm

End Note

It is sad to deny the history and be an Anti Iranian Susa Truther but it is surly tragic and catastrophic to be an Ignorant Iranian Susa Truther by being an IRI Agent, IRI Scholar, IRI Academic, Tazi Worshiper, Arab Worshiper and a Persian Traitor (Iranian Muslim) denying the obvious historical facts about our ancestors!

How ignorant it is for an Iranian to try to twist the human history in a way to conclude that:

Susa is not a civilization!

Furthermore claim that:

Susa is Elam, Susians are Elamites and Iranians have Semite and Hemite roots; therefore, Iranians are Arabs!

How pathetic can an Iranian get by concluding such nonsense?

But then again, unfortunately these days it is a pride to have Arab Seyed ancestors such as Hassan, Hussein, Fatemeh Zahra and Ali, but it is not hip and Islamically correct to have Persian ancestors!

Well, personally I rather die than be branded as Arab and Arab Worshiper!

I rather be the dirt at the foot of Rostam Farrokhzad, Yaqub Leis Saffarid and Reza Khan Sardar-e Sepah than connect myself to Holy Arab Seyed Saints!

Iran has 8000 years of history. 35 + years of IRI and Mullarchy is nothing compare to millenniums of Persian history. This is a fad and a phase. This will pass too! Mullahs, Muslims and Islam Game (Mosalman Bazi) will leave Iran too, but Persianhood and Aryan Race will remain forever.

Throughout the history, we had many invaders, each with their own fads, phases and hip of the day. They are all gone but Iran is still here!

New Improved Prophets for Persians!
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/humor/prophets/index.htm

Iran will remain forever because Iran is eternal.

The future will tell if the Iranians will remember me as a historian or they will remember some Hassan or Hussein be lately IRI academics as the historians?! The time will tell, only the time:

Time
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/poetry/time/index.htm

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Susa’s Susian Iranian Statues giving the Ancient Persian Salute with their right hands.
Ancient Persian Salute, Iranian Celebrations, Nowruz, Amu Nowruz, Haji Firuz and many other Iranian Traditions’ roots goes back to the Susa Era.


First and Last Persian Emperors
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/fir ... /index.htm

True Persians never forget who sacrificed everything for Iran to keep the Persian culture alive and then who betrayed Iran and Iranians by selling out to IRI, Mullahs, Half Breeds and the Islamic Fad of the Day!

What say you?

Susa is not Elam Thread
viewtopic.php?p=7494

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Re: Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby IPC » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:42 am

With your permission I have changed the title of this thread from:

Susa is not Elam; Susians are not Elamites

To

Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

For the purpose of getting more exposure and traffic on the net, in the search engines, in the forum and in IPC.

This way the news will be spread quicker.

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Re: Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby Ace of Spades » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:28 pm

Respected Sirs and Madams of IPC,

I'm new to website forums, and this is the first forum on which I am actually commenting before which I posted comments only on Twitter or on Google+/YouTube comments sections.

My ancestors hail from the lands of the Imperial Chola Dynasty that ruled not just Eastern Tamil Nadu but also the Ganges basin, the Indochina (more accurately the Sino-Tamil region, as Tamils were the primary ones from the subcontinent who influenced the region) region up to Malaya (Malaysia) and Indonesia.

The two major trading partners of the Chola Dynasty were China and the Abbasid Dynasty that was based in Baghdad. I knew a bit about the Chinese (there's still a lot to know though, the Tang Dynasty stopped the violent spread of Islam into China in 732 CE) and so I decided to look into the history of Iran (since Mesopotamia was part of the Persian Empire before Islam). Someone on the Internet told that Zoroastrianism went underground and took the Trojan horse avatar of Shi'ite Islam and even compared the IRI to the Sassanian (sic) Empire. At the time I was ignorant and never knew. I only knew Iran well enough from 1979 (IRI). I came across many articles that said Khomeini was a British agent (Haji Williamson) and was an Anglo-Indian, from Islamic as well as other Iranian nationalist sources. Some conspiracy theory somewhere I read compared the Iranian Tawhid (Allah) to the Sikh symbol, and alas, the similarity was astounding to say the least. Then I Googled out "Khomeini Sikh Symbol" and scrolled down Google Images. Then I came across one particular image.

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http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/history ... 01.gif.jpg

My first reaction: I rolled on the floor laughing as that image looked really funny and I couldn't control myself. That image led to your site. The first article I read of your site was thus "Islamic Barbarian Theocracy: Invaders of Iran". I read it and saw that you mentioned Arabs by the word "Tazi" (I don't know what that means, but I can sense some derogation in it). And as I read more articles like "Save the Persian Lion from Becoming a Gay Pussycat", "Domestication of Persians", "Moral Revolution", etc, I got the real picture of what Iran and Iranians/Persians underwent through the ages. Indians faced a more bloodier holocaust for 800 years, but I never knew Iranians faced it this bad.

One of my near and dear ones (I don't want to mention) told me that Persians were barbarians who used to rob and loot every town they invaded. She also told me that (stereotype) they had (elephant) trunks for noses. As a young guy with no prior exposure (not much exposure to the outside world either), I was bound to swallow it hook line and sinner, but then I decided to look for myself and alas, the picture I knew was far from reality.

This website is unique when compared to those of other Iranian nationalists that I glimpsed in that it doesn't focus on pulling others down but in the well-being of the Iranian nation.

I did read about Reza Khan the Great and he was/is the kind of leader I personally look up to, which my country can never produce due to way too many races and rivalries between them (North and West are Caucasoid, East is Mongoloid, South is Caucasoid/Australoid, and I come from the South). I always thought Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was an idiot, but also recognized his positives. I admired Ayatollah Khomeini (after seeing BBC's documentary on him) due to my super nationalist inclinations last year (I also admired Hitler and Hirohito then), but then that respect was lost once I saw his other side and his true background. This was after my super nationalist scumbag_ery lost steam. And I came across this blog site last month.

I will be looking into Dr. Kouroush Aryamanesh's work soon. I only know to read/write Arabic/Devanagari/Cyrillic scripts, but I can't understand any language that uses it. Your site has led me to another great repository of knowledge.

Your site is really an inspiration not just for Iranians but for others as well. And I have another good news for you and other Iranians who are mad that Arabs destroyed the Persian race and their Persian-hood.

http://www.technologyreview.com/review/ ... e-surgery/

http://www.frontlinegenomics.com/1054/c ... you-think/

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/07/23/sim ... g-cheaper/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR

CRISPR-Cas9 (simpler and safer genome editing) can probably be used to cut out and remove the foreign DNA strands that Iranians loath so much. It was proposed in 2012 and till now 1,500 researches have been conducted. In the near future, it will be used to edit DNA and cure even genetic diseases and AIDS. You can even reinvent the ancient Persian race or create a new Persian race! :) :D

http://www.umassmed.edu/news/news-archi ... th-crispr/

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles. ... s-Out-HIV/

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/crispr-dna-editing-2/

http://www.vitamodularis.org/articles/f ... rapy.shtml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4094479/

Your site is really great and powerful. It's inspiring Persians and enlightening a lot of other laid back people (like me :) ).

Keep up the good work and continue inspiring everyone. May Ahuramazda guide you and grant you victory over your enemies.

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Re: Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby IPC » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:02 am

Hello and Welcome to IPC

It is always great to see young, enthusiastic thinking creatures with thirst for knowledge to be added to our great line of global readers. Good to have you here and keep on reading.

I fixed your image link which was not showing due to technical misprint. Don’t worry, you will get the hang of forum BB codes. You will learn them in to time. I made the picture of your favorite role model visible! :rofl:

The Zoroastrians that decided not to stay and live under Islam, they fled to India and as you know, they are your Parsi minorities.

Your post is very enlightening and your thirst for learning is admirable. You are a promising young mind. Maybe some historians will reply to it.

Keeping your mind pure is more important than keeping your race pure. It is more important for Indian brothers and sisters to clear their minds than to clean their race! You can be a wonderful looking Aryan Indian but with Islam in your brain! What good will that do?

Liked your links.

Read this:

Aryan Migrations
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/maps01/index.htm

Good to have you here

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Re: Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby Ace of Spades » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:32 am

Respected Sir/Madam,

Yes, I know Parsis (my mother knows them better). The Tata's are excellent business magnets. The Parsis are great businessmen. Of course, at times, crony capitalists (never mind, Hindus in India are the gold medalists in global corruption).

I added those links to CRISPR-Cas9 as they were very interesting to say the least.

I kind of disagree with the Aryan Invasion Theory that it originated in Siberia.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/solid_evid ... vasion.htm

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ne ... ry-1623744

No, it originated in Northwest India (now Pakistan). And it originated among Indians. As to why Indians became dark? Due to incessant wars between the hundreds of kingdoms in the past, entire populations got decimated and tribals entered the society, so Indians/Pakistanis are as dark as they are. This happened some thousands of years ago.

Bernard Sergent gave a more contending argument in favor of AIT, but that has been successfully debunked by Dr. Koenraad Elst here:

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/sergent.html

Moving on, I would like to add that Arab Muslims in the past succeeded MAINLY because they had NAVAL supremacy apart from the retreating way of fighting whenever they were at a disadvantage. The Sindhu Mahasagar after the fall of the tiny Hindu empires of Sindh and Gujarat became the Arabian Sea as a marker of Arab naval supremacy. What is known as the "Indian Ocean" today was known as the "British Lake" during the British Raj era. Coming back to Arabs, the reason they have piss poor military forces today, is due to social/cultural dysfunctions plaguing their societies.

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

The Middle East is such an area that it doesn't matter what ideology one follows, they have to impose themselves with brute force. Whether they're liberals like Assad or radicals like the House of Saud, they have to reinforce themselves with brutality to put their opponents in place. So there starts the volleyball of blaming each other of being CIA/Mossad agents. Of course this conflict provides ample opportunity for outsiders like the USA, the UK, Russia, etc. to cash in and steal what they can from the house that's going up in flames. This is something Mohammad Reza Pahlavi never realized and so he let his country go to Khomeini and co. Luckily something the African country of Algeria realized quick enough during the early 80s.

http://www.danielpipes.org/13977/sick-middle-east

Saladin (Selahedînê Eyûbî), who conquered Jerusalem (apart from Syria, Iraq and Egypt) and brought the Jews back to the city, was Kurdish, although Arabs claim him. He defeated the crusaders at the battle of Hattin in 1187 CE. This was the turning point in the history of the crusades. He was a great man. This is part of Kurdish history, and his descendants today are struggling in an organized and united manner against Erdogan's Turks.

As to why the Ottoman Empire lasted that long, they had Egyptian soldiers who kept rebelling Arabs in place. Egyptian soldiers were the heart and soul of the Ottoman Empire.

Egyptian soldiers during the early 20th Century thought that Islam would go the way of the Egyptian Pharaohs as a quaint curiosity, but that was not to be. It came back in full force in the form of Communism via Sayyid Qutb of Egypt.

Islam would have become toned down like Christianity today if it weren't for the entry of Turks/Turkics and Mongols (most Mongolians today are Buddhists and Shamanists, and an insignificant percentage of them are Muslims). The Turks and Mongols effectively stalled the transition of Islam into the modern era. Persians were open-minded. Arabs were more open to other cultures and traditions, at least after their conquest of Iran (sadly at that time they weren't) (African Ibn Khaldun supported Darwin's theory of evolution via Muqaddimah), but Turks? They were far more destructive and genocidal. Arabs who lived in Karnataka back then never deceived their resident Kingdoms when the Kannadigas (as Chalukyas) defeated and effectively ended Arab expedition into the Indian subcontinent.

Christianity being more expansionist had a more blood soaked history but at least in the New Testament, there is a separation of church and state (Render unto Caesar, render unto God, etc). In Islam the state and church were one and the same. Catholicism had some quality control for weeding out the cranks. But the Protestants are creating proto cranks left and right even to this day. There is absolutely no quality control in Islam. Like Protestants, anyone adept in the Qur'an can declare himself a mullah or an imam or a sheikh and declare jihad on the ruling party for not being observant enough.

The Biblical personalities were exposed to various empires and cultures within the years and this created a relatively cosmopolitan mindset.

But the Qur'an is frozen in 7th century Arabia with its predatory ethos. And while Muslim tribesmen helped usher in a golden age of science and discovery (a lot of course based on Greek, Hindu and Babylonian works), severe conservatism set in after the Mongol invasions with regard to Qur'anic interpretation.

Indians had their own problems. Brahmins often had a bad habit of supporting anyone who patronized them. They went as far as to enlist as generals in the armies of invaders like Ghazni (Tilak), Mughals (Birbal) and Tipu Sultan (Shyama Iyengar).

This, added to incessant wars between Indians, was the reason others (Muslims/British) could dominate for a longer period of time.

There's still tons more for me to learn, but this is not my main work, it's just one mild interest as is economics of a nation, army/military strategies (Genghis Khan's strategies are of considerable interest to me).
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Re: Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby Ahreeman X » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:42 am

Greetings Iniyavel Sugumar
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Welcome to IPC Club. Good to see intelligent youth in the club. Your post is reply worthy; therefore, I shall reply to it.

“Someone on the Internet told that Zoroastrianism went underground and took the Trojan horse avatar of Shi'ite Islam and even compared the IRI to the Sassanian (sic) Empire.”


Even though literally this is not true; however, there are some bases to this issue. Allow me to explain.

After the First AIOG (Arabo Islamic Occupational Government), Persians created “Shiitism” as their own version of Islam in a form of negative struggle against the “Sunna” which was practiced by the Arabs. Eventually during Safavids, Shiite Islam had become the colonial ideology and a religio-political gimmick for the Persian Colonial Empire to establish a regional empire competing with the Ottomans who practiced Sunni Islam.

This episode dragged on until this day which IRI has built a Shiite Regional Empire stretched from Mediterranean to Caspians and Persian Gulf. IRI is basically modelling the Safavid Shiite Empire as role model. IRI expanding her control via her puppet regimes, terrorist organizations and military boots and attaches on the ground from Lebanon (Hezbollah) to Palestine (Hamas), to Syria (Assad Regime), to Iraq (Shiite Iraqis), to Yemen (Shiite Yemenis), to East Afghanistan (Shiite Afghans) and Iran. Basically IRI has created a Shiite Crescent surrounding the Sunni Arabs Sheikhdoms of Persian Gulf creating fear and anxiety amongst the Arabs and Turks (in north and northwest of the region).

Many Sunnis believe that Persians are not true Muslims and they are only using Islam as a tool to expand Shiitism around the region and revive the Persian Empire.

So as you see, there is a base to this whole allegation; however, as obvious as it is that IRI is using religion as ideological expansion and neo colonial expansion, yet we must admit that at least there are a couple of million hardcore Shiite Muslims ruling Iran whom are far more fanatical than Sunnis. This ruling class is heavily ideological and they can never be removed from power unless by sheer force, exile and extermination.

As I have always stated, my problem with IRI is not her independence, growing expansionism, creating a regional power and self sufficiency, but my problem with IRI is Islam. We must take Islam out of the picture and Iran will be heaven.

“I read it and saw that you mentioned Arabs by the word "Tazi" (I don't know what that means, but I can sense some derogation in it).”


Actually a few other colleagues have been using this term. In ancient times,

Arabs called Persians “Ajam” meaning:
Illiterate (to Arabic), Mute, Dumb, Retarded

Persians called Arabs “Tazi” meaning:

Dog (referring to Arab Hound Dog breed, Dog is dirty in the traditional culture)

Until this day, Pan Arabs refer to Iranians as Ajam and Pan Iranists refer to Arabs as Tazi.

“I got the real picture of what Iran and Iranians/Persians underwent through the ages. Indians faced a more bloodier holocaust for 800 years, but I never knew Iranians faced it this bad.”


Originally Iranians had it bad in the early years. They were third rate citizens; however, later on Iranians become the real ruling power and hand of the Arab Caliphate. The Golden Age of Islam was gold not because of Arabs but because of Persians and Persian Ingenuity which were the minds and power behind the Caliphate. Persians were Wazirs (Prime Ministers), Cabinet (Ministers), Hokkam (Governors), Maliyeh (Economy), Adliyeh (Judicial), Scientists, Artists and Philosophers of the Islamic Caliphate. Persians were running the Caliphate with Arab Caliph and Arab Dynasties on the top!

Islamic Golden Age lasted until the Persian Ingenuity dried up by Islam. Once Islam killed the Persian Ingenuity, then the Islamic Caliphate deteriorated, lost power, stagnated and become backward. So the golden age of Islam was no credit to Arabs but thanks to Persians, there existed the Golden Age of Islam.

Historically Famous Iranian Scientists
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I also agree that Indians were much more oppressed by the Arabo-Muslims than Persians ever were!

“One of my near and dear ones (I don't want to mention) told me that Persians were barbarians who used to rob and loot every town they invaded. She also told me that (stereotype) they had (elephant) trunks for noses. As a young guy with no prior exposure (not much exposure to the outside world either), I was bound to swallow it hook line and sinner, but then I decided to look for myself and alas, the picture I knew was far from reality.”


History is written by the conquerors. Hero to one nation is a blood thirsty murderer to the other. Your family and friends are referring to Persian conquerors of India.

Throughout the history, before and after Islam, a great part of India belonged to the Persian Empire. Baluchestan, Pakistan, Kashmir, Parts of North West India were states of Iran. Specifically during Achaemenid, Sassanid, Saffarid and Afsharid Dynasties the boundaries of the Persian Empire were deep in to India.

Until 250 years ago, half of Pakistan belonged to Iran (Baluchistan half).

While Indians refer to Yaqub Leis and Nader Shah as blood thirsty tyrants, Persians worship Yaqub as the liberator of Iran and Nader as a national hero.

Until this day, Paki Shiites brigades are one of the major brigades of the fearful Foreign Legion of the Qods Force Special Forces, IRGC Sepah Pasdaran and other units of the IRI military. Paki Shiites and Afghan Shiites identify more with Iran than their own nations. This is due to centuries and millenniums of being Iranian citizens. For God’s sake, every Istan nation was fabricated by the British and Russian Colonialism separating states of Iran and creating all of these Istan fabricated countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc.

Until this day, Persian nationalists do not recognize these fabricated countries as independent nations but they consider them Iranians which one day in the future must return to Iran as states of Iran!

In the case of India, of course, old timers will tell stories of Persian Barbarianism because of centuries and millenniums of Persian Colonial Invasions of India.

But I insist that historically speaking, before Islam, Persian Empire was run as a Federal Empire, democratic in nature (not a democracy); therefore, the Indian Khashtarahs (States) of Iran had nothing to complain about. So as far as before Islam, Indians have nothing to complain about because Sassanids and specifically Achaemenids treated them right.

History of Federalism in Iran
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/fed ... /index.htm

After Islam, the Islamic sub culture made Persians more brutal. Persian Colonial Empire of Saffarid and specifically Afsharid were brutal and had no mercy for Indian resistance because they considered these territories as once Iranian territories (before Islam) and they saw it as their national duties to return them to mother Persia.

But have in mind that while Indian resistance were crushed brutally, yet once you became an Indian Citizen of Iran, then you were not treated as a Dhimmi boy, second rate citizen and slave. Unlike Arabs, Persians considered non Persians as citizens of Iran with rights and respect.

Civilization: Persia versus Greece and Rome
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/civ ... /index.htm

That is history my friend. Until this day, some Indians look at it as Persian Barbarian Invaders but others look at it as the best thing that happened to Indians of the North West India.

“This website is unique when compared to those of other Iranian nationalists that I glimpsed in that it doesn't focus on pulling others down but in the well-being of the Iranian nation.”


Yes it is indeed. We do not preach Persian Supremacy by undermining other great cultures. For instance India the same as Iran is a hodge podge Empire of many races, languages, ethnicities and cultures. Even though I believe India is nowhere as racially diversed as Iran (we have White Aryans, Tan Aryans, Mixed Whites, Oriental Turkmens, Southern Arabs, Southern Blacks, Kurds, Turks, Lors, Mixed and even Indians in Iran), yet India is somewhat diverse. While there is no single Indian religion, race or culture, yet India in general is an ancient culture. India has a long history and Indians are interesting people. Indians are our brothers and sisters.

Take a look at our authors and you will see a number of great Indian authors’ material in IPC, some not even published elsewhere!

“What I couldn't handle at all was that Arabs in the past invaded and destroyed not only Iran, but the Persian race along with it (Syeds/half-breeds). As similar cultures to the Indian cultures (India is way too diverse than even Indians know), I couldn't handle them being destroyed in the name of Islam and Allah. And it's very sad that Iran has fallen once again into the hands of Islamic bigots who have no concern for the nation but want to cling on to power.”


Actually Arabo Muslims could not manage to destroy the Persian Aryan Race, Culture and Traditions. They tried and IRI is still trying hard but they can’t!

There exists Aryans nationwide, Persian language, philosophy, art, music, culture and celebrations heavily cherished until this day.

If Iran would have lost its language, race and celebrations, then today, it would have been considered yet another Arab country!

The problem is that Arabo Muslims have degenerated the Persian Race, Culture and Celebrations to some point but not in total.

Today, nationwide, we (Nationalists) are purifying the language, literature and celebrations from Arabo Islamic influences but the race has to wait until we kick Islam out of Iran or at least out of the government.

“I did read about Reza Khan the Great and he was/is the kind of leader I personally look up to, which my country can never produce due to the sheer stupidity of the people in general and due to way too many races (North and West are Caucasoid, East is Mongoloid, South is Caucasoid/Australoid, and I come from the South). I always thought Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was an idiot, but also recognized his positives.”


Self Serving Iranian monarchists and Muslims did not allow Reza Khan to establish a Republic in Iran or else, he would have been the first president and today’s Iran would have been a Democracy rather than an Islamic Theocracy.

Reza Shah was a legend.

Mohammad Reza Shah had many flaws but still as a nationalist he has done many good for Iran.

“CRISPR-Cas9 (simpler and safer genome editing) can probably be used to cut out and remove the Arab/Turk DNA strands that Iranians loath so much. It was proposed in 2012 and till now 1,500 researches have been conducted. In the near future, it will be used to edit DNA and cure even genetic diseases and AIDS. You can even reinvent the ancient Persian race or create a new Persian race!”


This is very interesting and science puts forwards new challenges. This can become handy in the future of Iran. But have in mind that in today’s liberal world and specifically in America, Genetic Engineering is more or less equal creating master race and genocide!

In today’s politically correct America, West and the World, people are brain washed not to even speak of these phenomenon. There exists one race and it is called the global race. You know, the same old tired ass liberal garbage, brotherly love, socialist crap?!

On the other hand, you do not necessarily need to clean the race in the lab but you can do it naturally (Darwin Style) via breeding! It takes a few generation of forced breeding the Mixed Persians with the Milky White, Blue, Green or Brown Eyed; Blonde, Red, Brown or Black Haired Pure Aryan Persians from North West Iran (Gilaks, Azeris and Armenians) to clean the Mixed Persians’ blood and features from the Dark Arab characteristics.

Social Darwinism and Science of Raciology Philosophy
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Trust me, hand me the government and in a few decades I will hand you perfect White Aryans and Original Persians pure of Degenerated Arab Blood! There are plenty of White Aryans in Iran to be used as breeding elements to purify the race back to Persianhood. Maybe then, we can also transform the good noble Persian characteristics in to the minds of Persians and cleans their minds off of Arabo Islamic garbage.

But do not expect me to do miracles! I can never transform Half Breed Baboons like Ahmadinejad and Rouhani in to Aryans! They are not considered Mixed Whites but they are far gone as they are Half Breed Arabs with some Baboonic Orangutan Genes somehow mixed in there!

Islamist Evolution I
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/animation-g ... /index.htm

Islamist Evolution II
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/animation-g ... /index.htm

Islamist Evolution III
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/animation-g ... /index.htm

“I kind of disagree with the Aryan Invasion Theory that it originated in Siberia. No, it originated in Northwest India (now Pakistan). And it originated among Indians.”


You can disagree as much as you want but the latest archaeological, geological, anthropological, and historical evidence does not support your opinion as the latest fact but it only suggests it as a theory.

Still until this day, the most solid theory backed by above evidence is the Siberia origin theory.

Aryan Migrations
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/maps01/index.htm

No evidence whatsoever supports that Aryan origin started in India and from there spread to Iran, Scandinavia, Germany, Italy and Greece! This is a theory like tons of other theories coming out every few years, but none of them has enough meat as the original theory which still rocks solid with Siberia.

However, the combine origin of the second Aryan Migration was Baltics and the third Aryan Migration root was Central Asia. This Central Asia root was a basis for some to come up with the Indian origin (near Central Asia) which is false.

“I would like to add that Arab Muslims in the past succeeded MAINLY because they had NAVAL supremacy apart from the retreating way of fighting whenever they were at a disadvantage.”


In early years, Arabs had very weak navy or no navy and that is why they did not completely conquer the Roman Empire like they done the Persian Empire.

Arab Muslim Invasion Occupation of Persian Empire Maps
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/maps06/index.htm

In later years, Arabs built a mighty navy (thanks to Persian ingenuity) and only then, they used it to spread Islam all the way from Spain to Philippines.

“Whether they're liberals like Assad or radicals like the House of Saud”


This is so funny, sad but true that you refer to Assad and his Baasi (Baath) Regime (Pan Arab Fascism) as liberal! Just imagine how backward and reactionary are the Arabs that Assad will become a liberal in comparison to Saudis! But scarier is that what you say is actually true!

Assad and other Arab Dictators are secular and much more civilized than Islamic States and Regimes like ISIS, Sudan and Saudis!

It seems like US Foreign Policy, specifically Liberals such as Obama are masters of screwing up the Middle East by destroying the Secular Dictatorships which at least provide security and stable economy for the people, and turning them to unsafe and unstable civil war infested nations which eventually fall in to the hands of Islam and become Islamic Caliphates or Islamic Republics! Soon I will write an article about this issue.

Reasons for the Birth of IRI
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/birth-IRI/index.htm

What Would You Donate to Jimmy Carter?
Carter Wants My Donation!

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/humor/carte ... /index.htm

“Christianity being more expansionist had a more blood soaked history but at least in the New Testament, there is a separation of church and state (Render unto Caesar , render unto God, etc).”


Actually there is no separation of Church and State in Bible but there is in the US Constitution and some Euro-Pee-On Constitutions due to enlightenment!

IPC Writes:

“Keeping your mind pure is more important than keeping your race pure. It is more important for Indian brothers and sisters to clear their minds than to clean their race! You can be a wonderful looking Aryan Indian but with Islam in your brain! What good will that do?”


I must agree with the above statement. Pure Logical Mind is more primary and important than pure race.

Take a look at India. North West India and East India is infested with Islam (also consider Pakistan and Bangladesh as India). Indian Muslims and Shiites are more fanatical about Islam than Arabs! They are worse than Persians in worshipping the murderers of their ancestors. I deal with Indian Muslims on daily basis and I simply do not comprehend their logic (What logic?) on why they are Muslims!? You got a huge problem probably larger than the problem we have in Iran!

Iranians by majority (except a few million Ruling Hezbollahi) are not true Muslims but they are Muslims due to birth and tradition. Persians are so Westernized that 35 years of IRI does not change the culture.

Iran is the only country in the Middle East which the people love America but the government hates America. Everywhere else it is the opposite!

If IRI goes which soon or late it is destined to go, then there will be barely any true Muslim left in Iran! People are show Muslims and pretend to be Muslims only on Ashura, Tasua, fasting and group prayer!

On the other hand, in India, you got massive population of Muslims as true fanatical believers!

Honestly, I thought the most fanatical and ignorant Muslims were Shiites and the most ignorant of them all are Afghan Shiites until I met a great number of Indian Shiite Muslims! That blew up my mind! Only Allah knows why these people are still Shiite Muslims! They do not even live in a forced theocracy but they live in a democracy, yet still ignorant, backward and illiterate traitors to their own culture, people and the global intelligence!

I enjoyed your post, views, and prospects.

Thanks for speaking up your mind, reading IPC, expanding your horizons and self educating yourself, cause if you don’t, for sure the schools won’t!

Many are Schooled, but only a few are truly Educated!

Amen!

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Re: Susa is not Elam; Iranians are not Arabs!

Postby Ace of Spades » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:00 pm

Respected Sirs and Madams of IPC,

I was just reading this article on IPC:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-lan ... ythology1/

Cow is not only sacred to Hindus! There is also a Zoroastrian Sacred Cow! Why you ask? There is a logic behind it. The Sacred Cow of Zoroastrians feeds milk to the Aryans, labors their farms and assists them with their agriculture. Aren't those enough reasons to be sacred?


As far as I've seen, The first civilization on earth to give importance to the cow was from modern Iran/Iraq, not India at least not till Jains influenced Hindus significantly. Jains are a community who don't even eat onions and garlic, much less meat and eggs.

As a matter of fact, the Vedas regarded only the divine Cow Aditi (the mother of gods who is sinless) as sacred, not all cows. Indeed, Hindus ate cattle meat in the ancient past. It was primarily Jain influence (in the North) and the influence of saints like Thirumular and Thiruvalluvar (in the south) that changed the Indian peoples. The records of Megasthenes, Fa Hein and Hsuien Tsang would agree with my statement.

The Vedas never talked of the normal flesh and blood cow, but a unique Cow that was Tantric symbolism (please refer to Tantra on Google to know more) for healing bodies, nourishing them and giving them long lives.

To support my statement:

http://www.sanskritweb.net/rigveda/griffith.pdf

Referring to Rig Veda 8.90.16 (Page 362):

Weak-minded men have as a cow adopted me who came hither from the Gods, a Goddess,
Who, skilled in eloquence, her voice uplifteth, who standeth near at hand with all devotions.

In short, this verse chastises those who worship the ordinary cow as Aditi, the mother of gods.

And Rig Veda 10.85.13 (Page 464):

The bridal pomp of Surya, which Savitar started, moved along.
In Magha days are oxen slain, in Arjuris they wed the bride.

Rigveda 10.87.16:

Yah paurusheyena kravishaa samankte yo ashwena pashunaa yaatudhaanah,
Yo aghnyaayaa bharati ksheeramagne teshaam sheershaani harasaapi vrishcha

The fiend who smears himself with flesh of cattle, with flesh of horses and of human bodies,
Who steals the milch-cow's milk away, O Agni,-tear off the heads of such with fiery fury.

Rigveda 10.87.17:

saMvatsarINaM paya usriyAyAstasya mAshId yAtudhAnonRcakSaH
pIyUSamagne yatamastitRpsAt taM pratyańcamarciSA vidhya marman

The cow gives milk each year, O Man-regarder: let not the Yatudhana ever taste it.
If one would glut him with the biesting, Agni, pierce with thy flame his vitals as he meets thee.

The Cow referred to in these two verses has the unique characteristic of giving milk once a year. It would be utterly useless even in those times if it were an ordinary cow. This Cow is unique. Yatudhana is a breed of vampire/evil spirit. Who cares if it just drinks any milk lying around? But why one particular Cow is given importance? Because its milk gives a long life, a longer youth and a healing/nourishing ability to the body of he who consumes it. A vampire drinking it would gain a lot of power, and no one wants it.

Not just the divine Cow (Gomedha Yagam), but even the divine Horse has significance (Aswamedha Yagam). The Horse signified the Sun, and the Cow the Moon.

And the divine Horse (in the Yajur Veda 13/42) is said to have emerged from the navel of Varuna (the lord of Rain), born in the waters and inhabits a mountain.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/wyv/wyvbk13.htm

Indeed, Vedas contain a lot of prostrations to various demigods like Indra (thunder), Varuna (rain), Agni (fire), etc. to protect them and their belongings from curses, maladies, etc. and also requesting tolerance for errors that occur during their rituals.

Never mind Hindus running wild with propaganda. Some of them are just trying to distort (and hence destroy) their own history (and hence roots). The hippie hyper vegetarian bullshit version of Hinduism is a relatively newer invention.

Iran/Iraq were the first civilization not to harm cattle. Hindus were with the passage of time influenced by Jains and changed over.

Mohammad turned a Black Rock in the center of Kaaba (a totem) to Allah and made it a mono god! Arabo_Muslim around the world are worshiping this Rock between 3 (Shiite) to 5 (Sunni) times a day! Don't you think a Cow has more use and is more sacred than a useless Black Rock (Allah)? This is pure Persian logic and it makes sense.


Oh I wouldn't merely dismiss that as a "useless black rock". Similar "black rocks" hold a LOT of significance in Saivism. Islam has indeed inherited some of its Pagan predecessor's rituals. How do people believe in God then? If God is formless (vacuum is also a form, we have to visualize it in the midst of our running thoughts), then none can visualize him. Something has to help, because none can pray to him without thinking of anything, that would be like an insane man rambling and fighting himself. This is why Islam has the black stone in the Kaaba, Christianity has Jesus Christ, Judaism has their own version of God, while Saivites/Vaishnavites have Shiva/Vishnu respectively. Only great enlightened beings can get a grip of the formless Almighty. This is why we Saivites/Vaishnavites worship God in a form, to make things relatively simple.

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