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Interview with Ahreeman X (Cartel Urbano)

Postby IPC » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:22 am

Interview with Ahreeman X
From Bogota, Colombia


From: Paula .... < ...@.... >
To: ipc.founder@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Subject: Interview

Hello
My name is Paula .... and I'm from Bogotá, Colombia. I write for a magazine called Cartel Urbano

Cartel Urbano
http://www.cartelurbano.com

and we would like to do a piece about the underground young culture in Iran. Here are my questions, thanks.

What do you think about the current situation en Iran in terms of freedom of speech for young people?
Do you think young people are interested in having secularism in Iran, or they would rather have a musilm republic?Why?
Have you had trouble with the goverment in Iran?


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From: IPC Founder < ipc.founder@gmail.com >
To: Paula .... < ....@.... >
Date: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Interview

Hello Paula:

“Hello
My name is Paula ... and I'm from Bogotá, Colombia. I write for a magazine called Cartel Urbano and we would like to do a piece about the underground young culture in Iran. Here are my questions, thanks.

What do you think about the current situation en Iran in terms of freedom of speech for young people?”


Freedom of speech is nonexistent, not just for the youth but for everyone. In addition, freedom of press, assembly, expression and even dress code is nonexistent. Freedom of political activity is also nonexistent unless you are a Muslim. Every political party except Islamist parties are banned.

The situation is so bad that even Fundamentalist Islamists cannot stand or tolerate Moderate or Reformist Islamists!

“Do you think young people are interested in having secularism in Iran, or they would rather have a musilm republic?Why?”


In nature, Persians (Iranians) are secularists and westernized. Persians are “Show Muslims” (by tradition) rather than “Real Muslims” (by fundamentals) like Arabs. 30 years of IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran) will not change the 8000 years old psyche of the Persians.

Iranian youth (under 35) forms 2/3 of the Iranian population. They are more westernized than westerners! The latest American Music CDs or DVDs are available in the Iranian Black-market, the first week that they come out in US!

In today’s Iran, 20 % of the population (Fundamentalist + Reformist Islamists) rule over 80 % of the Population whom are either secular (majority) or Anti Islam (minority).

In 21st century, no regime can rule by force for a long time period! Soon or late the IRI will fall.

The key point is that Mousavi, Reformists and Greens are only being used by the Iranian opposition and the student movement as the stepping stone (Iranian Gorbachev) to facilitate and provide the means to get the environment ready for the total elimination of IRI and the coming of the future Iranian Yeltsin!

Read:

Iran 2009 Revolution is about Change, not Groups!
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/ir ... /index.htm

But these 20 % Islamists will fight to death and will not go down easy!

Today’s Iran is no more a Theocracy but a Military Dictatorship. Read:

Inside Iran’s IRGC: Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/movement/IRGC/index.htm

“Have you had trouble with the government in Iran?”


Only during the past 30 years! Read:

Iran Politics Club is back on the Air
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/movement/IPC-air/index.htm

Founder of Iran Politics Club
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/founder/index.htm

best to you and be in touch

Cheers

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Was Peter Khan Zenderan considered for President of Iran?

Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:10 pm

Was Peter Khan Zenderan considered
for President of Iran?


Folks:

This one is a classic! An IPC member sent me this e-mail. In fact forwarded this e-mail which was originally written by Peter Khan Zenderan. Obviously Peter has been sending this e-mail around!

For more background about Peter’s state of mind, please read:

Urgent, Peter Khan Zenderan Needs to be Hospitalized!
http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... php?t=1513

Persian (Iranian) Gay, Lesbian and Transsexual Thread
http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... php?t=1320

But now Peter has outdone himself!

Peter claims that he was offered to run for presidency of Iran! I am telling yous, some people should not be allowed to walk the streets freely! They must be incarcerated in Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane!

But then again, to think of it, if Ahmadinejad became president, then why not Peter?!

Please read this e-mail and see how illiterate this man is. Not that he cannot spell or write a sentence without an error, yet his thoughts are also distracted and scattered all over the place! The man is clearly deteriorating! He is going totally insane!

I think we need to make a TV series:

Peter Khan Zenderan, a man for all seasons of Bull Shiite!

Enjoy:

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From: PB < …@...>
To: IPC Founder < IPC.Founder@gmail.com >
Date: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Subject: Is this true...was Peter considered for President of Iran??

Ahreeman:

Read this and tell me if Peter was considered for president of Iran?

PB


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From: Peter Khan Zendran < peterkhanzendran@fastmail.fm >
Subject: Zendran's ear end clearout and items of interest.
To: …@....
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:40 PM

Two nights ago I was at the USS Saratoga Museum's year end party where I ran into Sergei Khrushchev, who grabbed me by the arm and said he was glad to see me since my departure from watson/brown. Half expecting he would be there I had brought my Russian Silver Sputnik 3 Rouble proof and asked him to autograph it. He gladly did so and was excited not only to see me but that I had that coin in my possesion.

I asked him to autograph that coin because I knew it would not only
greatly increase the value of it, as he was one of the people who built
Sputnik, but to see if I could still count on him as a friend after what
happened at brown last april. That he did that shows what it means to
be a friend, one who stands by you in adversity. I have attached a
scanned image of that coin, the only one of the 10,000 minted to be
autographed by Sergei Khrushchev, so share it with others to show them
what it means to give and to be a friend.

Also yesterday I was clearing out my apartment when I found e-mails I
had spent over 4 years loking for. Those were the e-mail conversations
I had in December 2004 with Iranian President Khatami's staff where they
discussed me as a candidate for President of Iran in the 2005 election.
I have them saved and am willing to share copies of these e-mails with
anyone who is interested in them

Peter Z

http://www.peterkhanzendran.com
http://peterkhanzendran.blogspot.com
http://www.myspace.com/peterkhanzendran
http://www.youtube.com/user/PeterKhanZendran
http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter_Kh ... 1390262333
http://peterkhanzendran.wordpress.com/
http://twitter.com/peterzendran

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From: IPC Founder < IPC.Founder@gmail.com >
To: PB < …@...>

Dear PB:

Oh yes, didn't you know? He was also offered to become the president of USA! But Iran and USA raced over him to see which could be lucky enough to have him! So he rejected both job offers but I think he will run for president of Russia next year! The election will be held at Arkham Asylum!

This is too good to not be published in E-mails to Ahreeman X Thread! This is a killer, a true riot! But I will blank your name as the sender!

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Like Your Political Views but Question Your Philosophical!

Postby Ahreeman X » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:46 am

Like Your Political Views but Question Your Philosophical Views?!

This one amongst hundreds of e-mails had caught my eyes, so I decided that it deserves an answer. Name, E-mail and private information are blanked as usual to protect the privacy of the reader:

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From: Steve ….. <…@...net >
To: IPC.Founder@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Subject: Like your political views!

Dear Ahreeman X,
I enjoyed reading your site. You seem an intelligent man. I’m not that smart, but would like to discuss another intelligent man if that’s OK with you. He was a Jewish man, and his name was Albert Einstein and theorized about all that exist. He proved the existence of Time, and Space, and Matter, and Energy! And this is all he could prove mathematically to exist in the known universe. But think about it! Is that all that is? How did he come to this conclusion? Two other things exist that cannot be mathematically proven to be, and yet we spend a lot of space, time, matter, energy, and money on them, and they are mind and spirit. Without Mind and Spirit we would have to theories! Now Matter, Energy, Time, and Space are temporal, matter rots, energy wanes, space is filled, and time is gone. But the spirit of a people can last their lives, and at times beyond. I still remember the tales of brave men fighting for right against what seemed impossible odds. And I know the thoughts of many intelligent men live past their days. And the truths we have found with our minds (as simple as 1 + 1 = 2) are absolute, they will not decay, they will not change! But it’s kind of funny this what seem, (pardon the twisted logic, but I’m uneducated and cannot find the words to express this reality) this part of the absolute, which is also a part of our lives can not be proven to exist. That raises a question, since we cannot prove that mind and spirit exist should we believe in them? But if we can’t believe in them and they are the foundation for all else that exists we are in a dilemma! So I guess we have to believe in them even if we have no proof! I wonder what other things exist that we deny merely because we lack proof? Whatever, I am just an uneducated man, but I did enjoy your site. Maybe I'll tell you about 'blue' later.
Have a good day, and may God bless you,
Steve

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“Dear Ahreeman X,”


Dear Steve:

“I enjoyed reading your site.”


I’m glad you did.

“You seem an intelligent man.”


Only seem?! I thought I was one!

“ I’m not that smart,”


That is not true because you are an IPC reader. How can you not be smart and be an IPC reader? This is an Oxymoron!

“ but would like to discuss another intelligent man if that’s OK with you.”


If it’s OK with you then it must be OK with me.

“ He was a Jewish man,”


Those damn Jews again! I simply can’t escape them! Jesus, Einstein, Seinfeld …They find me everywhere!

“ and his name was Albert Einstein and theorized about all that exist. He proved the existence of Time, and Space, and Matter, and Energy!”


Correction: He did not prove the existence of Time, Space, Matters and Energies. No one needs to prove their existence because we can sense and measure them either directly or indirectly (with tools) with our 5 senses.

What Einstein did was gave us a present: Theory of Relativity. Everything including Time, Space and everything else is relative to one another and everything else. Scientifically nothing is absolute (such as your God)!

“ And this is all he could prove mathematically to exist in the known universe.”


Wrong statement indeed. See above please.

E=mc2
Energy equals Mass times Speed of Light square.

This is what Einstein gave us. This is not a theory but a factual formula. Formulas are real mathematics. This revolutionized the science. That’s all that he had to do. Very few people can even do a fraction of what he done.

“ But think about it! Is that all that is? How did he come to this conclusion? Two other things exist that cannot be mathematically proven to be,”


Yes they can.

“ and yet we spend a lot of space, time, matter, energy, and money on them, and they are mind and spirit. “


I’m glad that you brought this subject up. Read:

Brain and Mind
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

In this research I have proven that:

1. Mind and Spirit exist.
2. Mind and Spirit exist because of Brain and Human
3. Without Brain and Human, Mind and Spirit cannot exist


In other words, my brain created mind and I created God, not vice versa!

“Without Mind and Spirit we would have to theories!”


Not necessarily! There are little things called “Laws of Physics” and laws are not theories. They are laws and facts. For example:

It is Theory of Relativity and it is Theory of Evolution but now let me hand you a Law:

Conservation Law of Matters and Energies:

Energies and Matters were never created, will never be destroyed, but they will always change from one form to another or to each other. The total amount of energies and matters will always remain the same.

You say the same thing about God (he is eternal and infinite) but the difference is that you can’t prove what you say and you can only believe in it via faith. On the contrary, we can prove what we say scientifically.

So as you see, no God created the matters and energies.

“ Now Matter, Energy, Time, and Space are temporal, matter rots, energy wanes, space is filled, and time is gone.”


Everything you stated is scientifically flawed and wrong. Read above law again. Nothing dies, but everything changes from one form to another.

“ But the spirit of a people can last their lives, and at times beyond. I still remember the tales of brave men fighting for right against what seemed impossible odds. And I know the thoughts of many intelligent men live past their days. And the truths we have found with our minds (as simple as 1 + 1 = 2) are absolute, they will not decay, they will not change! But it’s kind of funny this what seem,”


Now you are talking symbolic! Symbolic words are pretty but as a scientist, I deal with logic not literature!

What does sacrifice, bravery, decency and morality has to do with belief in God and Religion? They have everything to do with human decency.

A thinking man does not need Jesus, Pope and Church to teach him on how to be a noble man.

“ (pardon the twisted logic, but I’m uneducated and cannot find the words to express this reality)”


Don’t ever say that! You maybe not school educated but street wise. You have a life time of experience and this is worth gold. Do not underestimate your mind. You can move the world with your mind.

“ this part of the absolute, which is also a part of our lives can not be proven to exist.”


I just proved that they exist. Also science argues that nothing is absolute. Absolutism is illogical and can only be believed via faith. A logical man cannot believe in things by faith but by proof.

“That raises a question, since we cannot prove that mind and spirit exist should we believe in them?”


They do exist and we can believe in them but they cannot exist without us!

“ But if we can’t believe in them and they are the foundation for all else that exists we are in a dilemma! “


They are not the foundation of everything that exists! You and I are the foundations of everything that exists. Without you and I, elements of Thought, Mind and God cannot exist.

“So I guess we have to believe in them even if we have no proof! I wonder what other things exist that we deny merely because we lack proof?”


Tooth fairy?
Santa Clause?
Elves?
Boogey man?
Brain of Jimmy Carter?
Obama’s US birth certificate?

“Whatever, I am just an uneducated man, but I did enjoy your site.”


You cannot be an uneducated man because you did enjoy my site! There’s a logic for you!
You maybe not schooled but you are educated!

“ Maybe I'll tell you about 'blue' later.”


Tell me about it!
Tell me about the Blue and I will tell you about the Blues! I am the Bluesman!

“Have a good day, and may God bless you,”


Thank you and in return, I wanted to say that may Allah bless you and Mohammed loves you, but then again I thought that maybe a condemnation, so I avoided it!!!!!

“Steve”


Cheers buddy

OK, a few things:

I. Read:

Brain and Mind
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Philosophical Corner
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Religion, Living in Fantasy
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Alien Factor
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Theory of Everything
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

II. I would gladly discuss philosophy with you (as much as time allows) but I do not discuss anything in E-mails. Discussions belong in the forum. Join the club and do it in the forum, so the public can benefit. Start a topic in a proper room and I will respond as often as I can:

IPC Club
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/

III. Sorry for delay responding to you but have in mind that I have to publish the largest Iranian website in the world. That is a lot of work! But better late than never.

Many are schooled, yet only a few are truly educated!

Now aside from philosophy,

1. Are you a hardcore GOP member? If not, are you conservative?
2. If so, will you quit GOP and join the 3rd party if Sarah Palin creates one?

Cheers

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Future of Iran!

Postby Ahreeman X » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:47 pm

Future of Iran!

Folks:

This one amongst an inbox full of e-mails, captured my attention; therefore, I am replying to it out of turn and I will even publish it! Name and e-mail of the sender are blanked for security reasons.

* Note:

The Reader is writing about this article and this survey:

Iranian Revolution has No Colors and Heroes!
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/co ... /index.htm

Political Survey for Iranians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi_mCpLF0WE

Observe:

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From: FN <…..@... >
To: ipc.founder@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:36 PM
Subject” article

In your article “Iranian Revolution has No Colors and Heroes!” you are basically saying violence is the answer. I am not a pacifist either. Although I still think we can give the green movement a chance at non-violent resistance. However everybody needs to unite and raise their voice that is why I am advocating a formal online political debate where we can voice our ideas for iran but I have been getting the silent treatment by you and everybody else. You say that all the opposition groups and the reformers are gimmicks and time occupiers. It is bothering me also that everyone is going their separate route. But I still believe we can all unite and help each other. You can’t kill or oppress everybody you hate. That is why I agree with one of your articles on federalism. You say in your article “We, the IPC Operations are at your service.” Are you? Are you open-minded? Or are you advocating your own separate ideology? I am just sick of the silent treatment by everyone. If you really say that “the IPC operations are at your service” then support an online political debate so we can all voice our ideas and find a solution. The 2008 US presidential youtube debates are a good example. If the non-violent resistance doesn’t work then in the end we can form a united force to free iran.

http://www.farabashar.com/

http://www.youtube.com/user/farabashar

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From: Ahreeman X
To: FN

Dear Comrade:

Yes, I am sincere about the statement: “IPC Operations is at your service.” I can prove it to you. Primarily I was the first who replied to your Survey in YouTube. This reply in my activity stream would drag people to read your survey. Now, I will publish your e-mail and reply to it in IPC Forum. This would give you a global audience. As I said, you need to go about it the right way. I don’t want to disappoint you but what you are doing today; I have done with a greater coverage for 4 years. I got some results but by majority, Opposition leaders are deaf, not willing to debate or discuss issues or even sit on the same table with each other. Arrogance and egos are way too high.

I have finally came to the conclusion that:

a. The long term solution is for me to use IPC (the largest Iranian website on the net) as a tool to mass educate Iranians to their culture, history, philosophy and politics, so down the road they can uprise against the IRI and overthrow the regime.

b. The short term solution is a bloody uprising, US invasion or a combination of both.

One way or another, both long term and short term solutions are violent overthrow of IRI. Mullahs and Hezbollah will not pack and go away in peace!

If you are serious about this, then you must know that we cannot pussyfoot around with IRI for another 31 years!

If you are serious about this, then I suggest for you to join IPC Club Forum, start a topic and start your debate here. If you can’t get a debate started here, then you can’t do it anywhere. I will provide you the tribune. IPC Forum is the most viewed Iranian political forum on the net but don’t expect much participation in debates.

Remember what I told you about IPC Surveys? We tried various surveys. Many replies but not enough. Iranians by majority do not participate in surveys. Some even cheated and sabotaged the surveys to pretend their cult has more fans!

So here is what I suggest:

I. Join IPC forum and start a topic of debate about your survey.

II. Continue your YouTube venture. I replied to you.

III. Write an article and in it, vastly explain on what you want to do with this survey, what is your goal, details of the debate, etc. I will publish it for you.

IV. What do you want to do with your book in pdf file which you sent me? Do you want me to publish it? We can publish it in IPC Library. Put a name or alias under the topic of your pdf book, so the people will get acquainted with your work. Resend it to me or republish it. For now, maybe I can publish the link to it under the updates of the homepage.

V. Write a brief biography (reveal as much as you want about yourself); use an alias name or your name. Send an e-mail that readers can reply to your articles. Send me a photo of yourself or any image which you identify with. We can use this image to create your logo for your future index. Once you write a few articles, we will make you an IPC Author. This would give you a global tribune to make the world listen to your views and plans.

Is this enough for you so that you realize that I mean business? I am not telling you that you will get the desired results but I am telling you that this is the greatest exposure that you will and you can ever get for your intentions and stating your views.

I am not going to conduct a dialogue or debate with you on YouTube or E-mail. They are not designed for this purpose. If you want to continue this debate, then do as I suggested.

Best to you

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Postby IPC » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:07 pm

Re: Future of Iran!

From: FN <…@...>
To: IPC Founder < ipc.founder@gmail.com >
Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:12 PM

You are right. I am not ready. I wasn't planning on conducting the actual debate myself. I was hoping that someone else would. I am not going to start a debate. I don't know where to start. But I do wish to help in the way to organize the debate and or in anyway I can. It is a difficult job that you are doing. I just want to inform others that a youtube debate is a good solution for us. I hope you or someone else will move ahead with the youtube debate. I didn't mean any disrespect by the email to your article.
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Peter Khan Zendran goes to Nut Hut!

Postby Ahreeman X » Mon May 17, 2010 7:21 am

Peter Khan Zendran goes to Nut Hut!

Here is a good one out of many women complaining about Peter Khan Zendran! I don’t know why these ladies are complaining about Peter to me! Maybe they are under the impression that I am his Big Brother, Cousin or Psychiatrist! Of course her e-mail address is blanked out for security and safety not from Hezbollah but from Peter! After all Peter is criminally insane and presently running loose in New England! Enjoy yet another lady complaining about Peter’s cyber stalking, profanity and sending naked pictures to them:

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From: Nina B < …@... >
To: IPC.Founder@gmail.com
Date: Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:58 PM
Subject: Zendren Goes To The NutHut

Of course PKZ should be sent to the Looney bin. President of Iran...omg....roflmao!!!!!!! Visions of grandeur! He is just the Pres of his own fan club nothing more. Let's face it the closest he's ever come to being Persian is getting Persian cat hair on himself. He is delusional and MR. I'm sure he's told you he is a direct ancestor of Genghis Khan too. Righttttt...and I live in the Playboy Mansion and Hef is my bf...pleaseeeeee. This jerk harasses women, posts naked (gag) photos of his tiny appendages, and uses some of the most filthy language I have ever heard. So if you are getting up a petition to have him committed, where do I sign. Eventually he will physically hurt someone.

I know the good people of Iran want naked pictures of their President on the net with a black leather whip stuck up his flabby behind! Oh hold me back big hot daddy...


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From: Ahreeman X
To: Nina B

Dear Nina:

“Of course PKZ should be sent to the Looney bin. “


Thank you for your approval. Many in IPC believe so. It is only the charitable work to send Peter to Mental Hospital for an unlimited amount of time!

“ President of Iran...omg....roflmao!!!!!!! Visions of grandeur! “


Yes, the latest position which Peter has been offered was presidency of Iran!

“He is just the Pres of his own fan club nothing more.”


He has a fun club? Is it fan club for mentally disturbed, wanna be body builders, gay mental patients?

“Let's face it the closest he's ever come to being Persian is getting Persian cat hair on himself.”


Don’t involve the noble Persian cat! Peter is known for Bestiality!

“He is delusional and MR. I'm sure he's told you he is a direct ancestor of Genghis Khan too.”


Yes indeed! Also the Persian Empire had granted him his title “Khan of Mazandaran” since 1500 years ago! This title went from generation to generation in his family who was never set foot in Mazandaran or Iran! You see, in Peter’s world, there is a parallel universe in history which is called:

Pete Terrrrrrian Universe! Case else-wise he Terrrrrs (diarrhea) on the known world!

“Righttttt...and I live in the Playboy Mansion and Hef is my bf...pleaseeeeee.”


Don’t forget the Kennedys and Pahlavis and ……

“This jerk harasses women, posts naked (gag) photos of his tiny appendages, and uses some of the most filthy language I have ever heard. “


Yes, you are not the first woman who sends e-mails to IPC and to my e-mail account, complaining about Peter sending them his naked photos, harassing them and cyber stalking them.

I am terribly sorry that you had to glance at Peter’s naked photos. It is surely tragic and suffering to see Peter’s little Shambool, uni-ball, big tities and fat belly along with his Fu Man Chu gay mustache and goatee!

“ So if you are getting up a petition to have him committed, where do I sign.”


Petition is a good idea but in his case petitions won’t work. We need to directly send the ambulance and orderlies to drag him out of his den dungeon and send this Albino, Yellow Skinned, Aryan Nazi, Wanna be Persian Psycho to Bell View!

“Eventually he will physically hurt someone.”


He already done so. I believe he already has been incarcerated by the police; however, the answer is not jail but the answer is Asylum for Criminally Insane!

“I know the good people of Iran want naked pictures of their President on the net with a black leather whip stuck up his flabby behind! “


Many ladies are claiming to have his sexy shots but they refuse to send some to IPC. Even though it is dangerous for the eyes and health of our readers, but if you insist, you can send some of Peter’s naked pictures for IPC.

“Oh hold me back big hot daddy...”


I am holding you back very hard and try to avoid you to send the pictures or stick something up Peter’s ….!

To know more about what this lady is talking about and for more information about Peter Khan Zendran’s wild episodes, please read:

Peter Khan’s Extracurricular Gay Rights Activities
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=1320

Urgent: Peter Khan Zendran Must be Hospitalized!
http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... php?t=1513

Peter Khan for IRI President
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewto ... cc918#7061

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What is Civilization?

Postby Ahreeman X » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:23 am

What is Civilization?
From an Indian Reader

from: PP <…@...>
to: IPC.Founder@gmail.com
date: Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:46 PM
subject: From an Indian reader


Hello Mr. X

My name is P… P…. I am an Indian, a Hindu. A wonderful website that you have. I chanced upon it as i was searching about the inconsistencies of Taj Mahal or Tejo Mahal. It lead me to one of the links in you website. You have taken up a lot of interest in Taj Mahal especially because it deals with muslim invasion! Nevertheless its a great effort you have put together. Just by surfing through website i can see you seem to have put up an impressive set of information and that requrires a lot of research.
Iran has a very rich culture and its sad the way its presented by the western Media, news channels/papers, films et all. Even we experience the same but allow it as many people here are ignorant, but it is not thier fault also because they grew in the education system fed with inaccurate information. but a lot of Indians do know India's true heritage.
But i want to point out certain inaccuracies, which you may not agree but anyways...

# You say that Iranian culture is the oldest in the world.
but the Vedic Indus/Sindhu valley culture is much older, the first civilised culture in the world, the Rig Veda dates back to 10,000 years back or older .. offshoots or branches of going towards the north west regions outside indus region and further, either influencing people or settling there itself. Some of them breaking away from Vedic system in India settling in other places up north.

# In pointing out the inaccuracies of the movie 300, u refer to as 'White Aryan' for a Persian messenger. Aryan does not mean white/ light complexioned. Aryan is a sanskrit word derived from Hariyana or Harijana. Hari means lord Vishnu and Jana means people. So Aryan refers to people of God or people leaning towards spirituality/God or having a noble heart.

# You say Algebra, Trignometery, Geometery were invented in Iran. You are wrong. Trigmometry comes from the word Trikonamiti, Geometry comes from the word Gyaamti. Algebra, calculus came from India. Indians were the first to use letters for unknown quantities in equations. Aryabhatta invented zero, the decimal system and fractions were there 100 years b.c in India or even much before that. Aryabhatta explained the spherical shape, size and speed of the earth by 499 A.D! you must be shocked to know that gravity was discovered by Bhaskaracharya 2 son of Bhaskaracharya 400 years before Newton! its there in a document called the Siddhanta Siromani. Infinity was also known in ancient India. The number system travelled... came to be know as Arab numerals. had the Europeans not changed from Roman number system (which is makes math much more difficult) to the Indian number system most of the developements that took place in Europe woud have never happened.
Some more facts : -
^ Madhavacharya discovers Taylor series of sine and cosine 250yrs before Taylor
^ Madhvacharya discovers Liebnitz power series fot pi 300 yrs before Leibnitz.
^ Madhavacharya discovers Newton power series.
^ Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression which is explained in the Yajur veda.
^ Govindaswamin discovers newton Gauss backward interpolation 1800 years before newton.
^ Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations explained by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta.
^ Aryabhatta propounded Heliocentric theory of Gravitation, thus predating Coppernicus by 1000 years.
^ Boudhayana found the Pythagorean theory and there is much much more......

Also you refer about modern medicine coming from Iran but just as a point i want to say that The oldest form medicine is Ayurveda one of the four vedas written, Sushshrutha was the father of medicine, he has done Caesareans...the name Caesarean should be changed, he treated urinary stones, fractures other surgeries and even a rough form of plastic surgery. Anaesthesia was widely used in ancient India.
Martial Arts orginated from India. Kallaripayattu an ancient martial art from Kerala is the source of Asian or all martial
arts. A swami called Bodhi Dharma travelled from India to China to teach this defence form and was later called as Ta Mo over there.
Sanskrit is the mother/source of all Indian, European, middle Eastern languages. With little research one can find similarities between all the the cultures and languages pointing towards a single source which is Vedic India and Sanskrit.

All the best in what you are working towards...
.
Thanking you for your time.

Hope we keep in contact.


PP


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From: Ahreeman X
To: PP

Dear Good Man:

Thank you for being an IPC Reader, your comments and your input.

“But i want to point out certain inaccuracies, which you may not agree but anyways...”


You are obviously a history buff and interested in ancient history; however, you are correct. I do disagree with almost everything which you have stated.

“# You say that Iranian culture is the oldest in the world.
but the Vedic Indus/Sindhu valley culture is much older, the first civilised culture in the world, the Rig Veda dates back to 10,000 years back or older .. offshoots or branches of going towards the north west regions outside indus region and further, either influencing people or settling there itself. Some of them breaking away from Vedic system in India settling in other places up north. “


As stated here:

8000 Years of Iranian History
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/eng ... /index.htm

Vedai Era is an important period in which many Iranian and Indian ancestors were living together. I disagree with Rig Veda going back 10,000 years, the same as I disagree with Zarathustra and his Avesta going back 10,000 years!

Zoroastra and Zoroastrianism, The Real Story
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Scientific Modern History based on evidence differs and states that:
Zarathustra Spitmata's timeline is 630 BC - 550 BC.
Vedai Timeline is 2000 BC - 850 BC

Now let’s go about it a different way and let’s hypothetically say that Rig Veda dates back to 10,000 years back or older (which there is no up-to-date scientific evidence), this doesn’t automatically mean that:

a. Indus/Sindhu valley tribes were also going back 10,000 years.
b. Vedic Indus/Sindhu valley tribes were considered even a unified culture at 10,000 years ago.
c. Vedic Indus/Sindhu valley tribes were considered a civilization at 10,000 years ago.

Human history can go back tens and hundreds of thousands of years, even millions (4.4 million) but this doesn’t mean that civilization has been established that long!

There is a big difference between human living on earth in forms of jungle-men, cavemen, tribes, local cultures, etc. and then the actual human civilization (City States, Kingdoms and Empires).

Indus/Sindhu valley humans can go back not just 10,000 but 20,000 years; however, this doesn’t mean that they were:

a. Vedic
b. a Civilization

For instance, all universes had always existed but this doesn’t mean that our universe has always existed in its present form:

Theory of Everything
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Years of history doesn’t necessarily means Civilization!

Do you see my point?

“# In pointing out the inaccuracies of the movie 300, u refer to as 'White Aryan' for a Persian messenger. Aryan does not mean white/ light complexioned. Aryan is a sanskrit word derived from Hariyana or Harijana. Hari means lord Vishnu and Jana means people. So Aryan refers to people of God or people leaning towards spirituality/God or having a noble heart.”


In terminology, you are correct. Aryan means Noble. But in 300, I am not talking “Terminology” but I am talking “Raciology”. Aryan is a race from the White racial group:

300 Spartans, The Real Story
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/300/index.htm

Social Darwinism and Science of Raciology
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

“# You say Algebra, Trignometery, Geometery were invented in Iran. You are wrong. Trigmometry comes from the word Trikonamiti, Geometry comes from the word Gyaamti. Algebra, calculus came from India. Indians were the first to use letters for unknown quantities in equations. Aryabhatta invented zero, the decimal system and fractions were there 100 years b.c in India or even much before that. Aryabhatta explained the spherical shape, size and speed of the earth by 499 A.D! you must be shocked to know that gravity was discovered by Bhaskaracharya 2 son of Bhaskaracharya 400 years before Newton! its there in a document called the Siddhanta Siromani. Infinity was also known in ancient India. The number system travelled... came to be know as Arab numerals. had the Europeans not changed from Roman number system (which is makes math much more difficult) to the Indian number system most of the developements that took place in Europe woud have never happened.
Some more facts : -
^ Madhavacharya discovers Taylor series of sine and cosine 250yrs before Taylor
^ Madhvacharya discovers Liebnitz power series fot pi 300 yrs before Leibnitz.
^ Madhavacharya discovers Newton power series.
^ Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression which is explained in the Yajur veda.
^ Govindaswamin discovers newton Gauss backward interpolation 1800 years before newton.
^ Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations explained by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta.
^ Aryabhatta propounded Heliocentric theory of Gravitation, thus predating Coppernicus by 1000 years.
^ Boudhayana found the Pythagorean theory and there is much much more......

Also you refer about modern medicine coming from Iran but just as a point i want to say that The oldest form medicine is Ayurveda one of the four vedas written, Sushshrutha was the father of medicine, he has done Caesareans...the name Caesarean should be changed, he treated urinary stones, fractures other surgeries and even a rough form of plastic surgery. Anaesthesia was widely used in ancient India.
Martial Arts orginated from India. Kallaripayattu an ancient martial art from Kerala is the source of Asian or all martial
arts. A swami called Bodhi Dharma travelled from India to China to teach this defence form and was later called as Ta Mo over there.
Sanskrit is the mother/source of all Indian, European, middle Eastern languages. With little research one can find similarities between all the the cultures and languages pointing towards a single source which is Vedic India and Sanskrit.”


My friend

I stated the father of “Modern Algebra” is Omar Khayyam.
I stated the father of “Modern Medicine” is Avicenna.
And so on ….

I am sure there were Indian scholars who practiced primitive medicine and basic mathematical concepts dating back thousands of years; however that is a whole different world than modern science.

Famous Historic Iranian Scientists
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/sci ... /index.htm


I am also sure that every culture including Indians, Mexicans, Africans and Arabs state that they are the oldest civilization on earth; however, as I stated:

The history of man living on earth is a different story than history of Civilization.
Do not mix Local Cultures with Civilization.

8000 Years of Iranian History (Discussion Thread)
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=207

India is one of earth’s mother cultures; however, India with about 4600 years of history is nowhere near 8000 years of Iranian history.

Your reasoning is based on human history in India, not civilization in India. Some Iranian scholars also do the same with Iran and state that Iran has 10,000 or 15,000 years of history. Their reasoning is that some local culture in Kerman or else had that long of history. This type of reasoning is flawed.

Establishment of City State (not local cultures and villages), Kingdom and Empire equals civilization.


“Thanking you for your time.”


My time belongs to you and all IPC readers. Sorry for delay in response. Hundreds of e-mails a week (only in my box) and only one of me!

“Hope we keep in contact.”


We just did!

Cheers
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From an Indian Reader

Postby Ahreeman X » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:48 am

What is Civilization? (continues)
From an Indian Reader

From: PP <….@......>
To: IPC.Founder@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Subject: Civil isation? (Indian reader)

Hello Mr. Ahreeman XYZ !

Well you could be in more than one location thats why the xyz!

Hope you read my letter fully in detail from begining to end with an open mind. Its quite looong : )

I liked your previous letter, lots of things to think about, about how people mould thier beliefs with thier thinking process. People are wired differently i guess, but there should be a basic beleif........



" You are obviously a history buff and interested in ancient history; however, you are correct. I do disagree with almost everything which you have stated."


I am not a history buff or a researcher but just the other guy.

"Vedai Era is an important period in which many Iranian and Indian ancestors were living together. I disagree with Rig Veda going back 10,000 years, the same as I disagree with Zarathustra and his Avesta going back 10,000 years!"


You are right Iranians share some of the same Vedic values. But civilisation does not mean it has to be an Empire with a king. It can be a group of people (large numbers) or a community with a head or a leader living within a developed lifestyle and in well planned towns or cities. It need not have an army or a king or generals. To compose Rig Veda itself you have to have a developed mind which can only happen in a peacefull and developed society.

H.G Wells - "The history of India had been for many centuries happier, less fierce, more dreamlike than any other history. In these favourable conditions they built character- meditative and peaceful, and a nation of philosophers such as could nowhere have existed except in India"
William Durant, author of the 10-volume Story of Civilization, wrote, "Sanskrit the mother of European languages. She was the mother of our philosophy. . . of our mathematics. . . of the ideals embodied in Christianity. . . of self-government and democracy. . . Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all."

P. N. Oak's World Vedic Heritage (p. 506) in which he presents evidence that, "In pre-Christian times the temples of Vedic Deities such as Vishnu, Shiva, the Mother goddess, Rama, Hanuman, and Krishna used to abound in all regions of the world. Evidence of this is found in the works of ancient authors such as Megasthenes, Strabo, and Herodotus. All those names are of Vedic origin, too. The term Megasthenes is Megh-Sthan-eesh megh is clouds, sthan is region, i.e. the Lord of the Region of the clouds. The name Herodotus is Hari-dootus, i.e. Messenger of [Hari] God."
In Some Missing Chapters of World History (p. 134), P. N. Oak also explains that Shiva was worshiped all over the world, even in the Vatican. The word vatican comes from the Sanskrit word vatica, which means a bower or sylvan hermitage. He explains that even the premises of the Vatican have many Shiva emblems buried in their walls and cellars. Many such emblems have been dug up in other parts of Italy as well. And some of those found in the Vatican are still preserved in the Vatican's Etruscan museum. The black rock that you mention of Muslims praying around it is none other than the Shiva Linga often depicted as a black cylindrical stone (which is now covered and only a portion of which can be seen). Linga refers to the sex or reproductive organ or in this case Shiva's erect phallus or linga.

The philosopher and researcher Edward Pococke wrote in his book India in Greece (page 251). He states: "Sir William Jones concluded that the Hindus had an immemorial antiquity with the old Persians, Ethiopians and Egyptians, the Phoenicians, Greeks and Tuscans, the Scythians or Goths, and the Celts, the Chinese, Japanese and Peruvians." The observance of this global connection between India and the rest of the world is actually an indication that the whole world was once under the influence of the Vedic culture. Thus, it was India who nurtured the rest of the world with her wisdom and Vedic knowledge


"8000 YEARS OF IRANIAN HISTORY"


One of the major reasons why a consideration of the idea of an Aryan invasion into India is prevalent among some Western researchers is because of their misinterpretation of the Vedas, deliberate or otherwise, that suggests the Aryans were a nomadic people. One such misinterpretation is from the Rig-veda, which describes the battle between Sudas and the ten kings. The battle of the ten kings included the Pakthas, Bhalanas, Alinas, Shivas, Vishanins, Shimyus, Bhrigus, Druhyas, Prithus, and Parshus, who fought against the Tritsus. The PRITHUS or PARTHAVAS became the PARTHIANS of latter-day Iran (247 B.C.–224 A.D.). The PARSHUS or PASHAVAS became the latter-day Persians. These kings, though some are described as Aryans, were actually fallen Aryans, or rebellious and materialistic kings who had given up the spiritual path and were conquered by Sudas. Occasionally, there was a degeneration of the spiritual kingdom in areas of India, and wars had to be fought in order to reestablish the spiritual Aryan culture in these areas. Western scholars could and did easily misinterpret this to mean an invasion of nomadic people called Aryans rather than simply a war in which the superior Aryan kings reestablished the spiritual values and the Vedic Aryan way of life.

Sir John Marshall, one of the chief excavators at Mohenjo-Daro, offers evidence that India may have been following the Vedic religion long before any so-called “invaders” ever arrived. He points out that it is known that India possessed a highly advanced and organized urban civilization dating back to 'at least' 2300 B.C., if not much earlier.

The known cities of this civilization cover an area along the Indus river and extend from the coast to Rajasthan and the Punjab over to the Yamuna and Upper Ganges. At its height, the Indus culture spread over 300,000 square miles, an area larger than Western Europe. Cities that were a part of the Indus culture include Mohenjo-Daro, Kot Diji east of Mohenjo-Daro, Amri on the lower Indus, Lothal south of Ahmedabad, Malwan farther south, Harappa 350 miles upstream from Mohenjo-Daro, Kalibangan and Alamgirpur farther east, Rupar near the Himalayas, Sutkagen Dor to the west along the coast, Mehrgarh 150 miles north of Mohenjo-Daro, and Mundigak much farther north. Evidence at Mehrgarh shows a civilization that dates back to 6500 B.C. It had been connected with the Indus culture but was deserted in the third millennium B.C. around the time the city of Mohenjo-Daro became prominent.

The arrangement of these cities and the knowledge of the residents was much superior to that of any immigrating nomads, except for military abilities at the time. A lack of weapons, except for thin spears, at these cities indicates they were not very well equipped militarily. Thus, one theory is that if there were invaders, whoever they may have been, rather than encouraging the advancement of Vedic society when they came into the Indus Valley region, they may have helped stifle it or even caused its demise in certain areas. The Indus Valley locations may have been one area where the Vedic society disappeared after the arrival of these invaders. Many of these cities seemed to have been abandoned quickly, while others were not. However, some geologists suggest that the cities were left because of environmental changes. Evidence of floods in the plains is seen in the thick layers of silt which are now thirty-nine feet above the river in the upper strata of Mohenjo-Daro. Others say that the ecological needs of the community forced the people to move on, since research shows there was a great reduction in rainfall from that period to the present.

More information in this regard is found in an article by J. F. Jarrige and R. H. Meadow in the August, 1980 issue of Scientific American called “The Antecedents of Civilization in the Indus Valley.” In the article they mention that recent excavations at Mehrgarh show that the antecedents of the Indus Valley culture go back earlier than 6000 B.C. in India.

More light is shed on the advanced civilization of the Indus Valley and how it influenced areas beyond its region when we consider the subject of Vedic mathematics. E. J. H. Mackay explains in his book, Further Excavations at Mohenjo-Daro, that the whole basis of Vedic mathematics is geometry, and geometrical instruments have been found in the Indus Valley which date back to at least 2800 B.C. The Vedic form of mathematics was much more advanced than that found in early Greek and Egyptian societies. This can be seen in the Shulbasutras, supplements of the Kalpasutras, which also show the earliest forms of algebra which were used by the Vedic priests in their geometry for the construction of altars and arenas for religious purposes. In fact, the geometrical formula known as the Pythagorean theorem can be traced to the Baudhayans.

It is Vedic mathematics that originated the decimal system of tens, hundreds, thousands, and so on, and in which the remainder of one column of numbers is carried over to the next column. The Indian number system was used in Arabia after 700 A.D. and was called Al-Arqan-Al-Hindu. This spread into Europe and became known as the Arabic numerals. This, of course, has developed into the number system we use today, which is significantly easier than the Egyptian, Roman, or Chinese symbols for numbers that made mathematics much more difficult. It was the Indians who devised the methods of dividing fractions and the use of equations and letters to signify unknown factors. They also made discoveries in calculus and other systems of math several hundred years before these same principles were understood in Europe. Thus, it becomes obvious that if the Europeans had not changed from the Roman numeral system to the form of mathematics that originated in India, many of the developments that took place in Europe would not have been possible.

In his book called The Celestial Key to the Vedas: Discovering the Origins of the World’s Oldest Civilization, B. G. Sidharth provides astronomical evidence that the earliest portions of the Rig-veda can be dated to 10,000 B.C. He is the director of the B. M. Birla Science Center and has 30 years of experience in astronomy and science. He also confirms that India had a thriving civilization capable of sophisticated astronomy long before Greece, Egypt, or any other culture in the world.

Another point of consideration is the Sarasvati River. Some people feel that the Sarasvati is simply a mythical river, but through research and the use of aerial photography they have rediscovered parts of what once was its river bed. As the Vedas describe, and as research has shown, it had once been a very prominent river. Many hundreds of years ago it flowed from the Himalayan mountains southwest to the Arabian Sea at the Rann of Kutch, which is north of Mumbai (Bombay) in the area of Dwaraka. However, it is known to have changed course several times, flowing in a more westerly direction, and dried up near 1900 B.C.

Since the Rig-veda (7.95.1) describes the course of the river from the mountains to the sea, as well as (10.75.5) locates the river between the Yamuna and the Shutudri (Sutlej), it becomes obvious that the Vedic Aryans had to have been in India before this river dried up, or long before 2000 B.C. The Atharva-veda (6.30.1) also mentions growing barley along the Sarasvati. And the Vajasaneya Samhita of the Yajur-veda (Shuklayajur-veda 34.11) relates that five rivers flow into the Sarasvati, after which she becomes a vast river. This is confirmed by satellite photography, archeology, and hydrological surveys that the Sarasvati was a huge river, up to five miles wide.

The Vedic literature is massive, and no other culture has produced anything like it in regard to ancient history. Not the Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians, or Chinese. So if it was produced outside of India, how could there not be some reference to its land of origination? For that matter, how could these so-called primitive nomads who came invading the Indus region invent such a sophisticated language and produce such a distinguished record of their customs in spite of their migrations and numerous battles? This is hardly likely. Only a people who are well established and advanced in their knowledge and culture can do such a thing.

Let us remember that the term aryan has been confused with meaning light or light complexion. However, Aryan refers to Arya, or a clear consciousness toward God, not white or white people. In the Vedic sutras, the word aryan is used to refer to those who are spiritually oriented and of noble character. The Sanskrit word aryan is linguistically related to the word harijana (pronounced hariyana), meaning one related to God, Hari. Therefore, the real meaning of the name aryan refers to those people related to the spiritual Vedic culture. Aryan refers to those who practice the Vedic teachings and does not mean a particular race of people. Therefore, anyone can be an Aryan by following the clear Vedic philosophy, while those who do not follow it are non-Aryan.

The name Harijana or Aryan evolved into Syriana or Syrians in Syria, and Hurrians in Hurri, and ARIANNAS or IRANIANS in IRAN. This shows that they were once part of Vedic society. A similar case is the name Parthians in Partha, another old country in Persia. Partha was the name of Krishna’s friend Arjuna, a Vedic Aryan, and means the son of King Prithu. So the name Parthian indicates those who are the descendants of King Prithu. Parthians also had a good relationship with the early Jews since the Jews used to buy grains from the Parthians. The Greeks referred to the Jews as Judeos, or Jah deos or Yadavas, meaning people of Ya or descendants of Yadu, one of the sons of Yayati. It is also regarded that the basis of the Kabbalah, the book of Jewish mystical concepts, as described in The Holy Kabbalah by Arthur Edward Waite, is linked with Kapila Muni, the Indian sage who established the analytical sankhya-yoga philosophy. Therefore, a connection between the early Jews and ancient Vedic culture is evident.

So Globalisation happened much much earlier!

I saw some pictures of ancient Persian Salutes both Susian and Parthian and i have attached some pictures of our Gods along with this mail. You'll find it sharing atleast 90 % similarities which means it was derived from Vedic culture. The gods bless or give powers using such a gesture in the Vedic mythologies.


"I am sure there were Indian scholars who practiced primitive medicine and basic mathematical concepts dating back thousands of years; however that is a whole different world than modern science. "


What is modern my friend.... its nothing but an improvement, a recent 'develop'ment.

By primitive you mean to say that in the modern times the number system, zero or shunya has been rediscovered?, the basic medical and scientific concepts have been rediscovered? , basic astronomy has been rediscovered? basic metallurgy has been rediscovered?

You would not reading this or typing back your views if the zero was not concieved. No binary, no computers. You would not have invented the computer/ digital media to start IPC.... would you?!

Also you mention very little- in fact nothing at all, correct me if im wrong, about the Bhagavad Gita, the sacred Hindu book/ Knowledge book in your articles - hmmm.... and descirbe people of Vedic culture as tribals! Yes everyone are tribals in the begining but they do not remain so.

Albert Einstien -
"We a owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us to count without which, no worthwhile scientific discovery could be made"


"THEORY OF EVERYTHING"


I see that after trying to go through all perceived current theories you have zeroed in to your own conclusion which is a Snake theory and your perception about a multiverse.

But you are assuming that everything never started and never ends. Then why things are not monotonous, why is there a pattern of good-bad, golden ages dark ages, why rise and fall why is there change as you mention later in your article, why is IT the constant factor..im not only talking about humans or living things but also of stars, glaxies, planetary sytems and may be things which i do not know..........................things which i do not know, thats why my beleif in a source. A supreme power, not just a baker with an apron or gloves in his hands, not a shoe maker, but one which we cannot perceive, what form, or is form at all, is it called something else. Does it have super particles, what are particles to that????

Essentially we humans are animals. When evolved from other species such as apes or the like we started observe, grasp and to reason due to possessing the most powerful and constantly evovling brain among all other species. Early humans were barbaric, no rules, no reasoning of good and bad.

See.. the reasoning of good and bad and thought eventually formed religion. No doubt religion also has its +s and -s but we are better off with religion than we would without it. We were barbaric and we have become into something better, even though religion has had its negatives because it was formed by humans itself. So now you can see there is a pattern...... Why did the human brain happen to be the most poweful and most evolved....because they were average, they had no great physical abilities, like great strength, sight, smell, size, speed, camouflage, body armour, natural weapons etc as compared to other animals and species. They had average abilities not too weak nor strong. You must have observed that its the average, the one which does not seem, one which is not observed, the unknown...that goes on to be the foremost. The most weak and the most strong get the attention, the average does not. You can see it in a range of things, from countries, to people etc.

Humans in the earliest stages must have been exploited to the fullest by other beings because of thier weakness/average abilities as compared to the numerous stronger animals, but as humans evolved they realised they had this thing which can help them to match or be better than thier adversaries through materials provided around them. What if these materials were not there around them, what if they happened to be just not there as you say 'nothing never started or ended'...... what if it never happened to be there?? Even if we had more impressive brains at the start of evolution, we would not have

succeeded.......pattern....pattern................you see it? We through our limited abilities have tried to put all this to the creation of a supreme power. In fact i would say there is no such thing as an invention, everything is a discovery. If its Possibilities would not have been there how would we have ever invented it. All scientific "inventions" or discoveries as i would say it have happened because of observation and by accidents.

You see creation is a vague term, i can't explain it, its out of explanation from science.. can you see the WHY of creation. Why create, what is the purpose, why you made the humans weak but gave them a superior brain so that they become powerful later, why whats the purpose of all this. Are humans the chosen ones....NO. Everything has its time. Humans will also have to go. When they became all powerfull and realised that they are all powerful they have exploited earth and life like no other. They will go as their time closes. Maybe we'll find Chicken, Cows, Sheep, Goats whom we expliot regularly and conveniently for thier meat, milk, skin, fur, wool etc., evolving into intelligent or more powerful or dominant creatures!
Todays average creatures 'may' become tomorrow's foremost. I say 'may', because if i say 'will' i become God. The word God has irritated many atheists because they think or equate it with a person with supreme, unthinkable, infinite powers. How can one person/entity/something be so lucky to have such a power. What is he/she/something doing when there are injustices happening to humans, animals etc. But is this thing called injustice a part of a bigger purpose in the life process or cycle of births and deaths. Its easy for me to say because i have not faced any major injustice but thank god im not God!
India faced lot of invasions after its Golden ages and Hindu kingdoms. Mind you there was golden age during Mughal rule when Akbar ruled. India was never a unified single large country before invasions. It consisted of different kingdoms even though all followed the same culture and religion. After the British invasion and rule and subsequently independance after a lot of 200 yrs of freedom fighting which made the poeple unite and fight made India a single large united country. It benefitted India.... India though has still, a long way to go and is still a poor country due to its Humongous population (2nd largest) but still is the second fastest growing economy in the world.

See India and China were poised to become the most powerful countries in the world... they were far ahead other is terms of technology during pre medieval and medieval ages when Europe was in darkness. But it was Europe who moved forward due to industrial revolution even though most of science and technology was borrowed from the east(India and China) but move forward it did. You see what does'nt seem like...the average...become foremost.

Maybe India and China would have become arrogant countires had they been foremost as they had been for many centuries earlier...... As is the U.S with its Invasions in Vietnam for political reasons and Iraq and Afghanistan now for economic reasons to sustain their superpower status with Iraq's oil. But what Invading Iraq has done is that it has made oil prices increase...due to the high expense involved in maintaining an army there. Oil price rises have inadvertantly made countries like Russia richer by the day and more powerful. Just not what US wants but its just what happens. Rather than a natural decline all these things make sure its going to increase the rapidity of US decline. US has also a hand in Increasing tensions between India and Pakistan and also supplies huge financial and weapons aid. Its also begining to come to light that US had a major hand in the Terror attacks in Mumbai where terrorists in commando style operation gunned down people in the hundreds. You must have heard it in the media or you would have not....well media u know.... control information.

So India is that average country right now. Not too talked about...niether too powerful, nor too weak l but as i said earlier...
So China will have its time and so will India. Hope some day so will Iran. Hope these countries bring a golden age and do not become arrogant/ greedy as will only hasten thier decline.

So also it has to be the case with Africa. May be the best is for last. the home of the origin. Africa is big time due. The world cup happening there is a good start.


"Unfortunately, majority of human life forms, own simple minds, and as we all know:
Simple Minds seek Simple Pleasures (Belly and Under Belly)
Simple Minds read Simple Books (Quran, Bible, Torah, Aqdas, etc.)
Simple Minds seek Simple Questions (Who created us?)
Simple Minds accept Simple Answers (God created us so we shall obey and worship him!)"


In your article on your theory of every thing while explaining you say to readers that are you still with or are you getting a headache.
All poeple are not wired to think deep, the outgoing extroverts do not mostly as they have no time to think to observe as they are busy talking, in action, only in the moment, rarely does thier mind go to the past or future. Intoverts mostly are calm, stable, observe others going by, doing thier business, they capture, analyse and reason. When one is not abled one gets that headache, his area is some place else. Imagine what if every one were complex minds, we would not have groups or teams no one would work together.

For eg. a scientist may have a brilliant mind and discovered certain facts but he can't convey that to others but a good teacher who has a lesser mind can do that effectively.

So without the 'POSSIBILITIES' nothing Works. So 'Simple' is not so simple.

Science is a human observation, its not the fact. In fact there could be many facts. Science is a Human set of laws which were observed from nature, all created/put in place/something! by God. A set of rules which work everyday, which look logical, because of the POSSIBILITIES. Religion is not against science, especially the Hindu religion. Its when there is a conflict between atheists and religious believers, that confusion arises that science and religion are not complementary.
Anyways no one is saying one religion is better over the others. All religions work for the better. The Muslim religion may look like its a violent religion but certain extremists change/hijack religion for thier benefit. Religion also has its negatives as its a Human observation also.
But belief and trust in God is a must. For it gives the qualities of caring for other creations, humbleness, perseverance, hope...which has taken man this far, non violence (Ahimsa).

If you observe most of the greatest of scientists and and other eminent personalities is that they all believed in the the one Unknown- God. Its not that they wanted look humble or modest in front of people but they the know the value of God who has blessed them with the abilities they have. They know its possible because of something. Its not that they are the chosen ones but everyone will have thier time in this or the next life. Its said in Bhagavad Gita that everyone will live the life of every possible life form and the lives of different characters/personalities of life if the life form is complex!

We can use our imagination and create pictures, idols or forms of God. Its only good for our mind, its creative, nothing wrong as we know its only our intepretation of the unknown.

Some Quotes from famous people on India and its culture: -

Albert Einstien -
"When I read the Bhagavad Gita, and reflected upon how God created this universe, everything else seemed superfluous."

J. Robert Oppenhiemer -
"Access to the vedas is the greatest privelage this century may claim over all other centuries."

Apollonius Tyaneus -
"In India i found a race of mortals living upon earth but not adhering to it, inhabiting cities but not fixed to them, possessing everything but possessed by nothing."

John Archibald Wheeler -
"I like to think that some one will trace how the deepest thinking of India made its way to Greece and from there to the philosophy of our times."

Will Durant-
"India was the Mother of our philosophy, Sanskrit- the Mother of Europe's languages,She was the Mother of our mathematics, Mother through Buddha, the values embodied in Christianity, Mother- through the village community, of self govt. and democracy, Mother India is in many ways the Mother of us all"
"Perhaps in return for conquest, arrogance and spoilation, India will teach us the tolerance and gentleness of the mature mind, the quite content of the acquisitive soul, the calm of the understanding spirit, and a unifying and pacifying love for all living things."

Dr. David Frawley -
"India possessed a great indegenous civilisation dating back to 7000 BC such as recent archeological discoveries at Mehrgarh clearly reveal. It had the the most extensive urban culture in the world in the 3rd millenium BC with the many cities of Indus and Saraswati rivers"

From your Indian Reader

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Re: What is Civilization?

From: Ahreeman X
To: PP

Dear PP:

Thank you for your e-mail. I have read your complete e-mail. I still disagree with the most of it. Once again:

“Civilization begins at least with the formation of independent city states.”

The photos you sent me are images of Hindu Gods and Indian Gods. In none of them, any of the Gods conducts an Aryan Salute. The gestures, they represent traditional Indian gestures, dances and moves.

I strongly disagree with your historical dates.

Gods, Creation, Religion are all not scientifically provable; therefore, they are all illogical. The only way you can believe in them is via faith.

Respectfully I do not conduct debates in E-mail. I do conduct debates in IPC Club Forum. You are welcome to join the forum and debate me. Due to running IPC and lack of time, I shall participate in it as much and as often as the time allows.

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Persian Influence on Moorish Culture

Postby Ahreeman X » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:27 am

Persian Influence on Moorish Culture

From: al leong < …@..... >
To: IPC.Founder@gmail.com
date: Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:26 AM
subject: Moorish culture

Hi,

Saw your site about history and culture of persia, given the popularity of morocco as a destination for travel and movie making
I wonder does persia hold any influences in moorish architecture, food and culture..thanks


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Re: Persian Influence on Moorish Culture

From: Ahreeman X
To: Al Leong

Dear Reader:

My favorite location in North Africa is Morocco.

The Persian Influence on Moorish culture starts after the occupation of Morocco, North Africa and Iberian Peninsula by Islam. Why is that you may ask? Because:

Arabs conquered the complete Islamic Empire (Asia, Africa and European Parts).
But
Persians ran and administered the Islamic Empire.

The Islamic Empire was under the direct administration and influence of the Persian Culture and ran by Persian Wazirs (Prime Ministers) and Cabinets. The Islamic Inventions are mostly made by Persian Scientists and everything from architecture, art, science and government was directly under the influence of the Persians. In other words, Persians were masterminds of the Islamic Empire.

“Islam conquered Persia but Persians ended up running the Islamic Empire for the Arabo-Muslim!”

Visit:

Historically Famous Iranian Scientists
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/sci ... /index.htm

Look at Persian Sassanid Architectural patterns and compare it with later development of Islamic architecture in Spain and Morocco:

Ctesiphone in Smoke, Fire and Blood
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/cte ... /index.htm

Also Moorish food has similarities with South Iranian food.

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Alexander, Roxana, US and Iranian Patriotism!

Postby Ahreeman X » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:14 am

Alexander, Roxana, US and Iranian Patriotism!

This trade of E-mails has been dragged from this topic in the History Hall to here:

Alexander, the True History Thread
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=583

Observe:

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From: blake d. <….@...>
To: IPC Founder < ipc.founder@gmail.com >
Date: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Alexander and Roxana

Dear X,

No need to continue. You deny science when it doesn't suit your fancy. I pointed out Ms. Dawson's true racial and ethnic make-up but you deny it to suit your fancy. Yes, there are some things that I am liberal about, there are also things that I am staunchly conservative. I did not sink so low as to correct your spelling and grammar, which I could have done profusely throughout our conversation. Violence has it's place in taking over dictatorships, I agree that it is a requisite. Do you not recall that I once said to you, bad people do bad things because good people let them. This belief is why I serve my country. Talking tough and living here in America does not make you a patriot, if you are so convicted to follow through with the things you say, then why are you in sunny San Diego and not in the trenches of the Iranian opposition movements that are alive and well in Iran? Oh and by the way, those organizations receive assistance from the very Western nations that you claim are over taken by liberalism and passivity, that you claim go out of their way to disrespect Persia, and one of which you are currently a citizen. I wish you well, fellow citizen, sarcasm..obviously!! I bid you adieu, did I spell that incorrectly?

Peace, Blake


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Dear Blake:

You have a disagreement with me; this does not make you scientifically correct.

I knew it was matter of time until your liberal mentality brings up the case of why am I in SD rather than in Tehran’s trenches (aside the fact that there are no trenches in Tehran, but all there is are parties with a lot of Persian yummy foods and wines)!

Everyone in Iranian Opposition has a duty best fit for him and best fit for the benefit of the opposition. Would you please tell me if I am more beneficial for the opposition by grabbing a machine gun, going to Iran, kill a Pasdar or two and then get killed, or to continue publishing IPC and using my pen to enlighten and educate hundreds of thousands of Iranian youth around the globe (on daily basis) whom will build the Iran of the future? Don’t you think your remark was rather silly?

The reason that I live in Seventy Degrees and Sunny San Diego all year round is because San Diego is the finest city in the finest state of the finest country in the world! Also San Diego is the best place for me to have inspiration for writing.

Being an American Patriot doesn’t mean to be born in America. Flag Burning Liberals were also born in America, does it make them patriots?

Patriotism is in the blood. I was not born here but I am as American as Apple Pie, Meatloaf and Mashed Potato and White Cake. What I do in America as a political activist shows my patriotism and is a measurement for my patriotism, not my place of birth!

My service to America is help getting rid of liberal socialists to save US Constitution and Free Markets.
My Service to Iran is help getting rid of liberal socialists with appeasement policies flirting with IRI and replace them with GOP who always backs Iranian opposition.

West backs western benefits, not Iranian opposition. Western benefits at the time are to back Iranian opposition against IRI. Besides, Liberals always helped destroying Iran (Since Carter Era and beyond), not helping Opposition.

I am Heartland America by Passion not by birth!

For someone who does not want to debate me, you still continue talking and your lips are still moving! So which is it? Enter the Forum and debate and I will reply to you as often and as much as time allows, or you may hold your silence and stop sending me Love Letters!

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Accountability to Allah in This Life and Afterlife!

Postby Ahreeman X » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:58 am

Accountability to Allah in This Life and Afterlife!

From: Rauf Jaleel < ….@....>
To: ipc.founder@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:51 AM

We Muslims never insult the religious figures of other religions.

But your website contains the written material in which the authors have insulted the Islam and the Prophet of Islam(peace be upon him).

Why these authors are doing this ? We Muslims do not understand this.

But we all understand and believe that the persons who insult using abusive language against the Islam and the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him)they will have to prepare themselves to live a miserable life before and after death.............and Allah will show them !


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Re: Accountability to Allah in This Life and Afterlife!

From: Ahreeman X
To: Rauf Jaleel

Dear Rauf:

Please calm down, have a cup of Persian Darjeeling Tea with sugar cube, take off your slippers, lift up your Islamic Dress (garment), air out your schlong, sit on the Persian rug and get comfortable ….

“We Muslims never insult the religious figures of other religions.”


Yes this is true; however, you conduct massacres to extinct the followers of that religion from the face of the Earth; therefore, the religion itself will automatically be eliminated! History of Islam is a history of violence and conquest!

“But your website contains the written material in which the authors have insulted the Islam and the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him).”


Ahhhhhh poor little Muslim Apologist you! The Testicles of Islam are in danger and the prestige of Mohammed PBUHB (Peace be Upon His Bone) have been stained! This is a grand catastrophe! What will you do about it Rauf –al Din? It is essential to declare Jihad against IPC and exterminate the infidels! You must immediately run to Imam to release a Fatwa against IPC! Run Rauf Run …..

“Why these authors are doing this?”


Because unlike you, they actually read Quran and Hadith and they are trying to also teach it to the majority of Muslims who still haven’t read them yet follow Islam blindly!

“ We Muslims do not understand this.”


It is because you Muslims eat too much Dates, Okra and Lamb! Stop eating them immediately and start eating Persian Cuisine such as Kubideh Kabob, Barg Kabob, Shishlik Kabob, Shish Kabob, Chicken Kabob, etc.

“But we all understand and believe that the persons who insult using abusive language against the Islam and the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him)they will have to prepare themselves to live a miserable life before and after death.............”


So in other words, Muslims will behead them in this life and Allah will cut off their schlongs in afterlife, right?

“and Allah will show them !”


Allah will show them what? Will he show them his schlong? Is his schlong bigger than mine?

Here Rauf, sing along:

My milkshake is better than yours,
It’s better than yours,
It’s better than yours,
Cause the girls told me so …..
Lala Lala La Lala Lala La …..
La Ellaha Ela Allah …. Lalala …La …. La!
Yahahahahah hahahahahha ahahahh …..

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Stop your gohenahang nadulmaful

Postby peterkhanzendran » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:27 am

Once again you spew your bullshit about me. You probably do NOT realize that a college has those e-mails of mine on file, and even the secret service has expressed interest i them. All you and your kusmodar here have done is hide behind computer screens and give our civilization a bad name.
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Artemisia Documentary

Postby Ahreeman X » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:26 pm

Artemisia Documentary

Folks:

Here is one worthy E-mail amongst the hundreds of E-mails which we receive weekly; therefore, I shall post it in this thread. This E-mail is surely worth answering and posting over here:

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From: T. < … @ … >
To: X < IPC.Founder@gmail.com >
Date: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:23 AM
Subject: Artemisia Documentary

Hi X,

My name is T., I was born in Iran and am pursuing an acting/writing career. I am in pre-production for a documentary about Artemisia. I want little Iranian girls and women of all ages to see where they come from. I want Iranian women to open their eyes and see that there is more to life, liberty and happiness then just the fluffiness of their rice.

This journey started as a private one for me. As I started to question my own reasons for not pursuing my career. I realized that eve though I am in the United States I still wear the proverbial veil just on the inside. Hence this project.

My producing partner and I have made 2 short films together and are writing a feature about a very tabu subject in the Iranian community. But we are also working on this documentary. My producing partner, P., is also Iranian. Her passion is directing and mine is acting. We're a hell-of-team! Our feature script is amazing if I do say so myself.

This documentary is something that needs to be told NOW! It will showcase that when other countries were still struggling to unite, Persia had women leaders, there was no segregation between the sexes and that is something that Islam introduced. The mere act that Artemisia of Halicarnassus chose to fight on the Persian side as opposed to the Greeks is very telling in itself.

I am very passionate about this project and cause. I want little Iranian girls to realize how much power lies in their souls and hearts. I believe we can free them once and for all! I need help. You are very knowledgeable in the history of our country and I want to meet and speak with you. I want to pick your brain. I realize you need anonymity, and you will have it. I live in Los Angeles, will you meet with me?

T.

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From: Ahreeman X
To: T.

Dear T.:

I am always very pleased to hear about the young Persian ladies such as you two with a high sense of cultural pride, historical thirst and “Persianhood”. I strongly encourage and urge you two to continue your paths and specifically to do this Doc.

Presently we have 2 major problems with the Iranian Youth. These major problems cause the present stagnation (of 31 years +) to overthrow IRI and end the reign of Islam in Iran:

I. Pacifism

The majority of the Iranian youth are unfortunately infected and infested with the virus of “Pacifism”. What you saw occurred in the streets of Iran in late 2009 and early 2010 was due to mass organized plans by the Iranian opposition, student movement and the brave youth of Iran inside and outside Iran; however, they were a tiny number in comparison to the majority of the youth which are either pacifist or the silent majority. Let’s not kid ourselves. Reformists, Greens and Pacifists did not cause the riots and burned down the streets of Iran for those few weeks. Reformists are just another face of Hezbollah but the Opposition is the Change seeker.

Pacifism is a 3rd degree Epidemic Syphilis which the majority of the Iranian youth is infected by it. Pacifism, Liberalism and Reformism are the reasons that IRI and Islam have been in power for 31 + years! As you can see, in Obama’s era we even have IRI Lobby Groups (NIAC, PAAIA, AIC, etc.) getting more powerful and peddling their asses for the Islamist Regime of Iran in USA.

IRI Lobby Groups, IRI Media (Iranian.com, Payvand, etc.), Liberal Democrats, Greens, Reformists and other similar Pacifists are 100 % pro appeasement with IRI. They dare America to invade / liberate Iran or back the Iranian opposition or even slightly attempt to impose serious sanctions on Iran. These Pacifists are strongly against any type of threat from inside or outside against the IRI Regime. They love business as usual for another 31 years!

The reason for this disease (Pacifism) is the lack of “Persianhood” and the “Persian Warrior Spirit” and then the overdose of “Islamic Shiite Sub-Culture” amongst our youth. Pacifism is a far worst disease than AIDS.

AIDS destroys your body but Pacifism destroys your mind; therefore, you lose your liberty and remain slave to Islam and IRI.

I see Liberal Pacifists a far worst problem than Islamists, because Liberal Pacifists are best friends to Islamists. They bend backwards to invite Islamists in, to destroy democracy. Allow me to quote myself:

“Liberalism is a weak immune system which invites the Virus of Islamism to enter and destroy a healthy and civilized, democratic social body!”
(Ahreeman X)


I find “Iranian American Liberal Pacifists” either as IRI Lobbyists or as Weak Confused Democrats which in both conditions they serve IRI and its agenda. Also in both conditions, I find “Iranian American Liberal Pacifists” as a bunch of extremely touchy feely, wishy washy, sensitively gay weaklings (no offense to homosexuals)!

What we need to do is to revive the “Persianhood” amongst the youth.

II. Historical and Cultural Ignorance

Majority of Iranian youth and even Iranians in general are historically and culturally illiterate to their own history and culture! They have no clue who Artemisia, Pantea, Banu, Rostam Farrokhzad, Babak Khoramdin or Yaqub Leis Saffarid were; however, they know very well about Hassan, Hussein, Ali and other Arabo-Muslim murderers and they worship them! Iranians just love Arab Worship and they love to remain slaves to Islam and Shiite! They ache for Bull Shiite!

So as you see, this is why I do what I do and you do what you do and we do our parts to save and survive our nearly extinct Persian Culture!

As you are aware, here are some good information about what you are intending to produce:

Artemisia
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/artemisia/index.htm

Famous Historical Persian Women
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/his ... /index.htm

Iran History
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/index.htm

Iran Online English Library
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/eng ... /index.htm

In fact the Artemisia research is the most complete historical writing about Artemisia which any historian has ever published. Almost everything you need to know about Artemisia is in there.

I always write about the most obscure eras of the Iranian history. The eras which barely any Iranian historian knows anything about them, set aside everyday Iranians!

Meeting you girls in person is not possible because presently I am dead busy with American politics / elections, IPC Operation / Student Movement business, writing a few research, traveling and personal family issues. Otherwise I would have loved meeting you girls, but then again you (T.) could be Asqar Hezbo and P. could be Akbar Pasdar, a couple of thick mustached, bearded and hairy Hezbollahis in mini skirts awaiting to meet me with Uzi machineguns!

Here, read this true story for humor:

A Mid- Spring Nightmare
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/humor/mid-spring/index.htm

But seriously, you can pick my brains via E-mails. I will try to get back to you as much as time allows. If my replies are late, do not assume that I am ignoring you, but it is because I receive and must read hundreds of e-mails per week. You can also join the Club, create a topic “Artemisia” under the Multimedia Room and we can go back and forth about your project, so the public will also be in the loop about your progress:

IPC Club
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/

Multimedia Room
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewforum.php?f=19


About your past couple of short films and the recent Taboo one, I would love to hear about them, so inform me about them.

About your future Artemisia Doc being able to completely cleanup the Shiite in every single Iranian girl’s brain, I would not hold my breath on that! The Shiite is mighty tough and it has been implemented in Iranians’ brains for 1400 years. They rather kill you for insulting Imam Hussein and they are careless about what you have to show about Artemisia.

The only thing that you can do is to produce the best Doc possible on Artemisia and hope that by showing it to all, you will affect a few or a great number of thinking minds. Those with open minds will see your Doc and think about it. Then they will possibly move on from Shiite in their brains towards Persianhood.

I admire your sense of idealism and the way you want to change the world, but changing even one person’s mind for the better is hard work set aside changing a nation’s mind! Trust me, I have been trying to do so for 31 years with opposition and for 10 years with IPC.

But if you manage to even change one person’s mind, even one Persian little girl’s mind, clean up the Shiite out of her head and replace her heroine from Fatemeh Zahra to Artemisia, then you have done your job!

I seriously encourage both of you to do this project and other similar projects. I encourage you to stick with Docs, Films and writing. We desperately need Thinking Young Ladies around us cause I am sick and tired of the average Iranian Dancing Sheeple Bimbos all around us!

I loved your terms “Proverbial Veil” and “Flufiness of Rice”. Read:

Encyclopedia Ahreemanica
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewforum.php?f=43

I think you’ll like it and maybe you can contribute some Neo Terms to it!

Anyhow, I will try to be of help to you and once your Doc or Taboo Film and other past short films are ready, maybe you can upload on YouTube, we can link to them here and mass advertise them for you under the IPC Updates (Homepage).

Keep up the good work, you are on the right track and never back down from your rights and what you believe. Keep in touch.

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Religion of Iranian Americans!

Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:54 pm

Religion of Iranian Americans!

Here is another good one. This is a popular subject; therefore, I have to reply to this one. This would be enlightening for all! Dig in:

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From: Ann < … @ … >
To: < IPC.Founder@gmail.com >
Date: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Subject: Religion of Iranian Americans!


Hello,

As a Christian of many years I have a question for you. Recently I have met three different Persian/Iranian women socially who have lived in the US since 1979 or thereabouts. They do not appear to be Muslim, in fact, one spoke during a conversation in which she stressed that Iranians are not Arabs but Persian and she spoke disparagingly about Islam.

My question is- how do most Persian Americans [P/A] see themselves religiously? I have friends in the Valley in LA who have a church with many P/A s attending and it seems that many have become Christians.

I used to live in NYC and worked for a P/A man who eventually went back to the old country to find a young wife and brought her back. He never seemed interested much in Islam but culturally went back there to find his wife.

This is a sincere inquiry and hope you can enlighten me. I also am interested in sharing my faith with these women and want to know more about them from a political/cultural perspective.
Thanks,

Ann


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From: Ahreeman X
To: Ann

Dear Ann:

You sound like an observant person and this is great. It seems like you are anxious to learn and educate yourself about the Persian Culture and History. You are in the right place. Just read a page of IPC a day and a whole new world will open up to you (not just about Iran). Unlike many westerners who believe the Greco-Roman Culture is their mother culture, the reality is that the Persian Culture / Civilization is the oldest civilization in the world and the mother culture of the world. Start with this book:

8000 Years of Iranian History
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/eng ... /index.htm

Allow me to be very frank with you. Majority of Iranians (either inside or outside Iran) are not religious by fundamentals. They are only religious by tradition. To many Iranians, religion is a hobby.

Fact:

“Iran is the only country and the only exception in the Middle East where the people love America but the government hates America! Everywhere else the people hate America but the governments love America!”

Have you ever given serious thoughts about this statement? Why is it that in Iran (major enemy of America), the people love America, Americans and American culture?

The reality is that the Iranians by majority are more westernized than the westerners and Americans! 31 years of IRI and the Islamist Regime cannot change that!

As far as religion goes, IRI had done so much damage to Islam that us (Iranian Opposition) could never do in a million years! We should thank IRI and 31 years of the Islamic Theocracy in Iran! They done our job for us (turning people away from Islam)!

Unlike the official and public knowledge, the majority of Iranians are not Shiite Muslim but they were born Shiite Muslims! There is a big difference! Just because one is born Shiite, it does not mean that he practices Shiite or Islam! They go to religious ceremonies and they do religious traditions as a habit and a hobby! Every Iranian is a Muslim but then again no one is really a Muslim! Religion is more like a fashion in Iran.

Only 20 % of Iranians are truly Muslim (Fundamentalists and Reformists fractions of IRI and Hezbollah). 80 % of Iranians are ceremonial Muslims.

In fact after 1979, a great number of Iranians converted to Zoroastrianism, Bahaiism, Christianity and other religions (even though conversion means death in Iran)! A massive number of Iranians have also turned to Non Denominationals (only believe in God but no religion) and also a great number of Iranians have become Anti Religion, particularly Anti Islam and even Atheists.

As far as Iranian American population goes, you can barely find any true Muslim amongst them!

Here is a joke (based on reality) for you:

In Iran, before 1979, we used to pray inside our homes and then party and boozing in public (Clubs, Cabarets, Bars, etc.). But after 1979, we started to pray in public (mosques, universities, etc.) and then party and boozing inside our homes!

All the parties are presently conducted at homes!

Iranian Americans by majority are either Not Religious or Anti Islam. Mostly they are Non Denominationals (just believe in God) and a minority are Zoroastrians, Bahaiis, Christians, etc. Majority of Iranians either inside or outside Iran are not religious and they view religion as a hobby, a style and a fashion statement.

After 1979, a great number of Iranians have become Atheists, Anti Islam, Anti Religion and Anti God.

Yes, you are correct, a number of Iranians who turned away from Islam, also have become Christians and Church goers. We have our own Christian minorities: Armenians, Assyrians, etc. but these new converted Christians who are now attending churches are born agains and they have converted from Islam. They are not Armenians and Assyrians. Feel free to preach Christianity to them. Maybe you convert some to Christianity.

Many Iranians (like many Americans) are in need of some type of God and Religion to stay put as moral, decent human beings. They do not have strong minds to be moral on their own! They need some kind of fear from afterlife, Satan and Hell to keep them inline! After Islam had turned them down, now they are providing a great market for any religion to draft them by the herd! Feel free to draft some of these lost lambs of Allah and gather them in the arms of Virgin Marry and Jesus!

But seriously, in my mind, if religion makes you or anyone else to become a better person, kinder person, moral person and a good person, then more power to you and to your religion, whatever it may be!

Now, as an Atheist of many years, I have a question for you:

As a Christian, how do you feel sitting around and witnessing how Hussein Obama’s Liberal Socialist Regime is bending over backwards to Islam and Islamists at the cost of practically spitting on the Judeo Christian Values in America? Can you get used to it? How does it feel? Can you digest it? Are you going to do something about it?

I hope I covered all your questions.

PS:
Even though I am a strong believer in Science, Evolution and Materialism; yet I am not a Militant Atheist, yet I am a Logical Atheist. In fact I am pretty Jolly; I celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, Nowruz and other Traditional Christian and Zoroastrian Holidays (since I was a kid in Iran until now)!

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