Do Iranians Deserve Democracy?Rebuttal to Atusa and IPC for All
Dear Comrades, members, readers and friends:
I simply could not stay silent on this one!
“I was thinking …
Events in France meaning the Paris Terrorist Attacks by Islamists and what IPC wrote here in other thread:Great Civilization: Imperial Iran versus Islamic Iranviewtopic.php?f=7&t=1861
Made me to think about this subject and maybe we should rethink and reassess the Iranian mentality of the Iranian public inside Iran.”
Atusa Jan, do not think too much because you may become a genius and a runaway brain! Then you will be out of control running wild like a mad genius and we have to chase after you to tame you and recapture your thoughts!
“Let me quote IPC”
Whatever problems the Imperial Iran had, it was still 100 times better than today’s disaster. Islam destroyed Iran once on 651 AD and once in 1978.”
No debate there
“Imperial Iran had many problems but in comparison to IRI it was heaven.”
No argument there
“All of us more or less know that monarchy has ended in Iran forever and all of us more or less know that monarchy is not a rational system of government”
Do we? Are you sure? Some people still after 35 + years, are clueless and detached from the “Present State of Iran”!
“ but Iranians need to ask themselves these questions:
Are Iranians ready for democracy or do they even understand democracy?”
No they are not!
“Were Iranians ready for Republic or were they really understood Republic?”
No they did not!
“Look what they did to the Republic! They turned it to an Islamic Dictatorship!”
Yes they did.
“All of these events make us think that are Iranians really ready for a Democratic Republic and do they really understand what a Democratic Republic is?"
No they don’t!
“Maybe Iranians still need a Big Brother Shah or Imam to tame them, keep them in line and lead them as a Father leads the child!”
Now, do they?
<<< Sometimes a Secular Dictatorship providing Security and Good Economy is better than Islamic Chaos.>>>
You mean like Shah? Yes, Shah was better than Imam, and Monarchy is better than Theocracy.
“It was really true in Iran!”
“That’s my wiz, what’s yours?”
That is why I have finally found time to respond to this post. I will now give you my wisdom below!
“Time will tell ...”
No, in this case “The Time
” will not tell because “Ahreeman
” will tell right here and right now. Ahreeman will clear it up for you and all!
Good point you brought forward and that is why I am going to rebuttal it now.
“Atusa you got a valid point. something to think about.”
Yes Atusa brought forward a good point, I thought about it and now I will rebuttal both of you and give you something to “Really Think About”!
Everybody is in the House?
Everybody is ready?
Ready to Rock?
So let’s Roll:The Questions?
In regards to your questions, I have answered all of them:“Are Iranians ready for democracy or do they even understand democracy?”
No they are not!“Were Iranians ready for Republic or were they really understood Republic?”
No they did not!
Both of you have brought forward great points; however, you are asking the wrong questions!
The question is not:“Are Iranians ready for democracy or do they even understand democracy?”
But the questions must be:Do Iranians deserve Democracy?
AndCan Iranians learn Democracy?“Were Iranians ready for Republic or were they really understood Republic?”
Again, the questions must be:Do Iranians deserve Democracy?
AndCan Iranians learn Democracy?
So the questions are not:
“Are Iranians ready for democracy or do they even understand democracy?”
But they must be:
Do Iranians deserve Democracy?
Can Iranians learn Democracy?
The answers to both of the above questions are “Yes”!Where do Shahs and Mullahs go Wrong?
Yes, Iranians do deserve Democracy!
Yes, Iranians can learn Democracy!
Hard to believe, but yes we deserve, yes we can, yes we must and yes we will!
The narrow minded Iranian monarchists, either veteran old farts or Jujeh monarchists, both still stuck in the 19th century with the Persian Colonial Empire mentality, bring forward this flawed logic:
“Iranians were not ready for Republic and they really did not understand the Republic.”
“Iranians are not ready for democracy and they don’t understand democracy.”
Therefore, they conclude that:
So basically, the monarchists justify (with their limited combine wisdoms) that because Iranians were and are ignorant to the meaning of democracy and republic, then they do not deserve them and they are not capable to learn them; therefore, they are in need of a father figure, a big brother, a dictator and a wise parent to show them salvation, lead them like a cattle and progress them like children!
“Iranians must have a Monarchy to progress.”
Well, Mullahs are saying the same thing! But before 35 + years ago, it was called monarchy and now it is called theocracy!Back then, the caring and loving dictator was the Shah,
The caring and loving dictator is the Imam!Both in their own ways want the good of Iran and Iranians!Shah wanted the Great Persian Civilization for Iran and Imam wants the Great Shiite Civilization for Iran.
Shah wanted to build a Persian Empire and Imam wants to build a Shiite Empire.
One believed in reviving the old Persian glory of Achaemenid Dynasty
and one believes in reviving the old Persian glory of the Safavid Dynasty
!Both in their own flawed and upside down logic wanted and want the best for Iran, one copy and pasted the traditional Persian style of dictatorship and one copy and pasting the traditional Shiite style of dictatorship!Little they knew and know that looking towards yesterday is a senseless and wasteful occupation! We should learn from the history but we can never repeat the history! The history is the past, today is today but we must look at the tomorrow.The Past, The Present and The Tomorrow
This is where Iranians have a problem. Iranians are stuck in the past:Marxists
and Socialists are stuck in the 1990sMojaheds
are stuck in the 1980sMonarchists
are stuck in the 1970sMossadeqists
and Jebheis are stuck in the 1950sMuslims
and Mullarchists are stuck in the 7th Century AD
Iranians are not even stuck in the present but they are stuck in the past!I am talking about Tomorrow!
I am a Futurist and I am talking about the Futurism!
Do you hear me?
Can you ever be on the same wave length with me?
Can you think, logic, program and see the Future like me?Can you forget the past and live in today but build the tomorrow with me?America is 239 years old.
Iran is 8000 years old.In 8000 years we could not achieve what Americans achieved in 239 years!
Because the American Founding Fathers built America on Democracy, Secularism, Federalism, Human Rights and Freedom.American System is the most unique system of government and the most continuously evolving and progressing system of government in the history of Earth
and it is continuously evolving and progressing.Iranian system of government built by the Iranian Founding Fathers (Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes) 2500 years ago, even though progressive for the time (Slave Free, Federal and Democratic in nature), yet it was not based on Democracy and Individualism.American System was based on Democracy and Individualism.History of Federalism in Iranhttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/fed ... /index.htmHistory of Slavery in Iranhttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/his ... /index.htmCivilization: Persia versus Greece and Romehttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/civ ... /index.htmWhen Islam came to Iran, everything got worst!
That little Democratic in nature changed to Absolutism
That primitive Federalism changed to Centralism
That Slave Free Society changed to Slavery
Federal Empire changed to Absolutist Dictatorship
Things took a U Turn backward.Why Iranians are not Politically Educated?
Then you guys come out and say:“Iranians were not ready for Republic and they really did not understand the Republic.”
“Iranians are not ready for democracy and they don’t understand democracy.”
Nobody ever politically educated them! Shahs and Imams never politically educated them; furthermore, they treated them as children, loyal subjects, obedient public and Muslim cattle!Iranians always had a father figure, a Shah, an Imam, a big brother to guide them, make decisions for them and format them as kept women and secure children!
This lack of political education, led to lack of economical education which led to lack of philosophical education which all and all led to lack of logical reasoning! When you can’t logically reason in the 21sth century information age, then you will become stuck in the past and a backward Iranian Monarchist, Mossadeqist, Marxist or Muslim.
So instead of asking:“Are Iranians ready for democracy or do they even understand democracy?”
Ask:Do Iranians deserve Democracy?
Can Iranians Comprehend Democracy?
Can Iranians learn Democracy?
The answers to all 3 questions are yes.Do Iranians deserve Democracy?
Yes they do. Aren’t Iranians humans? Must we always treat them like cattle? Must Iranians always be tamed, lashed, banged on the head by some Shah or Imam and be led like sheep? Don’t Iranians deserve better? Don’t Iranians deserve Democracy?Can Iranians Comprehend Democracy?
Yes, if someone takes time to educate them well, then they will comprehend well.Can Iranians learn Democracy?
Of course they can. Iranians are the smartest people on the planet
; they only need a chance and a caring mentor to be educated on Democracy.
Yes, Iranians can self educate themselves on Freedom, Human Rights, Federalism, Secularism and Democracy.
Iranians have never given a chance to get educated on the above subjects. For 8000 years, they have always been guided, directed, ridden, lashed and protected like little children. Their minds remained primitive.
Very politically correct put:
Iranians are politically, economically, socially and philosophically challenged! They are naïve because they were never taught better.Who Should Educate the Iranians?
Who should educate the politically, economically, socially and philosophically challenged Iranians who live in the past to the up-to-dated information age reasoning, logic and facts?
Who should educate them to be compatible to today’s realities, be competitive to today’s progressed civilizations, so they can build the tomorrow’s “Great Civilization
Shahs didn’t, Imams don’t do it, then who?The Intellectual Responsibility
It is the duty of the Free Thinking, Liberated, Progressive and Responsible Intellectuals to educate the Iranian public, so they can become compatible and competitive today, and they can build the progressed future.It is time to stop living in the past, adapt ourselves to today and build the tomorrow.Tomorrow World
Tomorrow’s world will not be build on Monarchy, Mossadeqism, Marxism, Marxist Islamism (Mojahedin), Socialism, and Islam! They are all yesterday’s news. They are all the past. They have all become outdated, obsolete, flawed or flat out failed to work.Tomorrow’s world is “Futurism”, Science, Evolution, Information Age, Logic, Progress, and Free Thinking.
How do we get there?How do we get to Tomorrow World?
How do we get there, you ask?Educating the Iranian masses and enlightening them to Freedom, Secularism, Federalism, Human Rights and Democracy.
Now correct me if I am wrong: Isn’t that what we have been doing?Iran Politics Club supports the fight to establish Freedom, Secularism, Federalism, Human Rights and Democracy in Iran.Constitution of Iran Politics Clubhttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/constitution/index.htmThe Power of Internet
Today, we have the Internet, what all the past Shahs, Imams, leaders, gurus, thinkers and teachers only wished to have! We have this tool to mass inform the masses across the globe. Internet is the best tool and the most effective mass media existing. With a push of a button, I can transform my thoughts to the Iranians all over the globe. Our ancestors only dreamed of this today’s reality!
It is up to us, how to use this tool to produce impact and the maximum effect!
Many waste time on Internet, bickering, crap shooting, chatting nonsense, cheap talking and trash talking.
I use Internet to educate and change young minds.The Role of Iran Politics Club
Iran Politics Club has been mass educating as a 24 hour propaganda machine to build free thinking, progressive and logical minds of the future Iran for 15 years.On March 30th, 2015, IPC will be 15 years old.
Throughout these 15 years, while the general Iranian websites have been preaching sectarian politics, IRI Lobby, False Historical Information, Biased News or flat out providing mindless chat rooms to pass time and piling up Kos O She’r, what have I been doing? What have we been doing?
Together, we have created the largest Iranian website and network on Internet to mass educate the young Iranian minds inside and outside Iran.IPC is the greatest tool in the hands of the Iranian Opposition, Democratic Movement and Student Movement to make a change in the future Iran. IPC is the hope for change in Iran.
IRI has done its best to seize the IPC broadcast but after 15 years, we are still here, larger than ever, more powerful than ever and more educational than ever.
IPC traffic got larger, specifically inside Iran and IRI simply cannot stop the traffic. IRI Internet Police, Cyber Terrorism and Filtering have simply failed. Whatever tactic they came up with, we have come up with Anti Tactic!Mass Information
Today, we are mass informing, mass educating, mass progressing and mass affecting the young Iranian minds across the globe by mass propagating via mass broadcasting online.
Furthermore, we are winning the modern “Cyber Warfare” and IRI cannot do anything about it!IRI preaches Islam
IPC preaches Free ThinkingEnd Notes
So to answer your questions, hit you with new questions and conclude, I will hit you with this:
It is the responsibility of the Iranian Intellectuals to come out of their shells and use IPC as a mass information tool to educate the young Iranian minds across the globe.Do you have something informative to say?I invite all Iranian intellectuals to participate preaching, debating and educating the Iranian public, specifically build the young Iranian minds.
I have founded this tool, we have built it to become massive, today’s IPC is the best tool in the hands of the Iranian Free Thinkers and Intellectuals. Do not get disappointed, distracted and crunch in your shells. Come out, debate, preach, inform and educate the Iranian public with your wisdom and your input. The tool is here and it is called IPC, but it is up to you on how to use this tool to build the future Iran.
If you have something constructive to say, if you have something informative to say, if you have something valuable to educate, if you care for Iran and Iranians, then do not neglect and deprive the young Iranian minds from your wisdom because to remain silent and passive is a sin!
We created IPC, we gathered a captive global audience, we created a massive traffic, do you have anything to say to evolve minds? Then say it now?
Thank you for your inputs and I encourage more intelligent inputs.
Remember what I have stated:“Can you forget the past and live in today but build the tomorrow with me?”