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Postby Ahreeman X » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:22 am

Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence Debate
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Theory of Everything explains the fundamental question of philosophy:
How has everything started to exist?


Who Created the Multiverse?

The Conservation Law of Matters and Energies in physics teaches us that all matters and energies were never born and will never be destroyed, yet they have always been changing from one form to another eternally. This is not a theory but a law of physics. In other words, the Multiverse has always been there and it will always be here forever ….

Hard to picture?
Try this:

Look at the whole universe (and all universes) as a graph. If we draw this graph:

It will not look like a line with eternal beginning and ending.
It will not look like a circle with a beginning point and an ending point.
But,
It will look like a moving “Snake” which his body is a series of circle loops:

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Crawling Snake Graph of the Multiverse

These circle loops almost close and form perfect circles, but the key word is almost! These circle loops are eternal. They come from Forever and they will go to Forever. Each circle loop almost closes to form a circle and in that case it seems like someone like a God must have created this loop; however, each circle loop never actually closes down. Two ends of the each circle loop reaches up to a microscopic range to each other but never touches each other and forms a circle. Therefore, these series of snake-like circle loops continue forever ….

The actual graphic diagram of the Multiverse is in fact looks like a Snake with his body in to many unclosed circle loops moving from one point to another. Have you seen the way a snake moves from one point to another? That is the desired shape that I am talking about. But picture this snake as an eternal snake from both ends!


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Greetings G Nex:

“Dr. X, your sense of humor is fascinating, as it brought a smile to my face. I was once a kid and always looked forward to Santa Claus! In fact, I played the role of Santa Claus for my four daughters before they got too wise to know it was their Dad.”


Nicholas, did you also know that there is a Muslim Santa Clause?! His name is “Sandy Khalas”! They call him Sandy Khalas because due to living in desert, his claws are sandy; also he often shoots the final shot in infidel’s brains when he says “Khalas” (finished, relax, end of the story in Arabic)! His actions on Christmas are pretty much the same as Santa Clause except that, he comes down the chimney in a Terrorist 3 holed black Ski Mask (2 for eyes and 1 for nose) and a head to toe black jump suit. Instead of bringing presents, he takes all the presents, and cash too, puts a hejab on family’s dog and convert her to Islam, eats the cookies, drinks the milk and leaves a Quran instead, then he blows up the Christmas tree before he goes back up the chimney! Very few infidel kids have seen him in person because if they are not dressed Islamically correct, he tends to 50 lashes them and read a Sourah of Quran to them on not to eat Pork Chops during the Holidays!

How can you tell if Sandy Khalas has been in your house?

Because after a week gradually your son recites verses of Quran, grows a beard and wears a beanie hat! Also your daughter starts wearing head scarf, completely covers her head and asks you to buy only Halaal snacks!

So Sandy Khalas comes, eats the cookies (make sure cookies are Halaal), drinks the milk, takes all the cash, and if you’re bad, sometimes he shoots you and makes you Khalas (finishes you so you can relax for eternity)! He is Sandy and Khalas you (end of the story), praise be Upon Allah!

…. And that is the legend of “Sandy Khalas”!

“This consciousness I try to comprehend is forever growing, like a baby. For the consciousness that formed the first atom is very different from the consciousness that created the stars, the galaxies, and the universe. It finds itself in the creation of matter that can develop (from inorganic) into organic life that have very different levels of consciousness.”


Yes, the consciousness evolves like everything else evolves, the same as a child evolves, the Universal Intelligence of millions of years ago is way different than the Universal Intelligence of today and tomorrow! The only absolute element is “change” and “Change” can cause “Evolution” which without it everything stagnates like the “Islamic Doctrine”!

“The only thing I like to clarify is that Universal Intelligence is a new term with many different ways to interpret it. First, what level of intelligence are we talking about and in what way is it universal?”


Level of intelligence is relative to the time period in history of the universe or universes. As you stated, it evolves. The reason it is universal is that technically “Universal Intelligence” is the combine consciousness of all elements, the combine intelligence of all creatures, all and all in universal harmony. Together they build the “Universal Intelligence” which creates a system of function in the universe or universes.

If you look at each element as a micro perspective, you do not see the universality of the intelligence; however, if you look at the system with a macro perspective, then you see the totality of the system as a functioning order. There is an order within all the chaos. That is the beauty of it.

“It appears that I am starting to intimate that there may be a Spirit of intelligence that people have created within their minds as being the God of all Creation; a god which the Egyptians were perceptive and honest to say is, “incomprehensible, unknowable and mysterious. I am not certain if it is fair to write off the Egyptian priesthood as spouting their beliefs as being Religious Mumbo Jumbo.”


The God as I referred to it as a “Spirit” is not “The Creator”, because as I stated in my thesis, “Spirits” cannot exist without “Matters” and “Energies”; however, I do recognize the existence of “Spirits” as the third element. Unlike you, I do not recognize elements such as “Thought” as energy or brain waves because the definitions of Energy is way different than Thoughts.

I believe Spirits exist yet Matters created them and energies created them and without them, spirits cannot exist. I created God and not vice versa.

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“In my studies of the growth of religions and the concept of God, I have learned that mankind strives to attain a higher level of moral and spiritual growth. In some small way, the consciousness that pervades the universe in also within us, the living matter that is able to not only exist but to think and perceive thoughts that go beyond our own existence. I therefore have respect and a high regard for the intelligent and perceptive beings that have formulated the laws that help to instil integrity and promote love.”


Yes but this morality and moral codes come from Man, not Spirits or God because Man created the concept of God or the Spirit factor got created by Matter and Energy. This is why some moral codes make semi sense like Christianity but some moral codes are bizarre like Islamic codes! In other words, mind of Jesus was way different than the mind of Muhammad!

“You are right. I was only referring to the highest form of intelligence on earth. But yes, there are certainly other forms of intelligent life elsewhere in our universe. However, I do not agree that Aliens genetically created us by mixing and matching us with apes and DNA that improved our ability to think. To me, that is mumbo jumbo for I believe that we humans are not far different from our four legged animals be they apes, monkeys, cats and dogs. Note, we all have the same bodily functions. Did the Aliens also help create the other animals on earth? I think not.”


Human physical functionality maybe similar but human mind due to brain complexity is far different (as the result of experiments done by aliens). I imagine you are not a fan of Ancient Astronauts Theory?! But you have to admit in case of the Missing Link, it makes sense! Something happened to create the jump and sudden evolution in that time period, the missing link!

“It seems to me, that many Middle Eastern people have been exposed to the idea that there are Spirits that hover about and affect their lives, such as the Jinn believed by Muslims. My Britannica World Dictionary provides the following definition:

Jinni. pl Jinn. In Moslem mythology, an order of supernatural beings able to assume animal or human form, and often at the service of men through some magical controlling object. Sometimes spelled djinni, genie. Also jinnee.”


No not me. Nothing is hovering! My point is that Spirits are the third element and they are not energies. If they were energies, they could also exist inside inanimate objects such as Rock!

But on the other hand, consciousness is also relative. It comes in many forms. When you see an incest eating plant, at first glance it does not move but then when a fly sits on it, it moves and eats the fly! So is it conscious? What you consider unconscious such as plants and inanimate objects, could may as well be conscious but they move and groove in a slower paste. The Rock looks inanimate to us because it is slower than us; we look inanimate to a spirit because it is faster than us but all and all we are parts of Universal Intelligence which runs the universe. Just because something does not move (in your eyes) and you cannot measure the motion and sense within it (at your functioning speed), it does not mean that it is dead because there are energies and matters everywhere and consciousness is relative the same as Time is relative (Einstein)! You should have imagination and explore possibilities. What was Sci Fi yesterday, today is Scientific Fact. Who knows about tomorrow?

“Yes, I deny the existence of Spirits and promote the idea that there is a consciousness that somehow has the will to create matter, which is then able to exist both inorganically and organically. That consciousness becomes viable when matter has developed in complex and fluid forms whereby thought processes are able to be formed. A stone is unable to form a thought, but a dog, cat, even ants as well as apes, flowers, bees, and humans are able to sense and react whereby at the higher levels of consciousness can interpret what to do next. Run or fight to stay alive.”


OK picture this (traditional way):

Evil Eye” is a concept in which one due to jealousy and evilness, bad eyes you and you get ill or something bad happens to you; therefore, you wear or display “Evil Eye” jewellery, Talisman, decor or totems to mirror the Evil Eye’s dark power back to the sender to damage him to not to harm you.

Now look at it this way (logical way):

Evil Eye” is about Bad Energy or shall we say “Negative Energy” which is intentionally or unintentionally sent by someone towards you. They may send it without even know that they are sending it because they simply have bad vibes, negative energy and dark energy. This could be due to jealousy towards you, envy to you or because they are in a Dark Place and state of mind. What you do is try to change this negative energy to positive energy so it does not harm you. You use tools and methods to reflect this negative energy to the sender so he can harm himself; therefore, you escape the negativity.

Negative or Positive Energy exists.

This is more of a logical explanation than the first scenario. Same goes for consciousness. At this point, we cannot measure consciousness within a Black Hole or Anti Matter but we see some evidence of activity and execution. Could it be that in the future we may measure this consciousness? Black Hole and Anti Matter as universal elements of today such as the wind and cloud, can very well be consciousness factors of tomorrow which can cause negative energy in their interaction with other beings such as human! There goes your “Evil Eye” history!

It is all relative and I do not believe it is Mumbo Jumbo. I also do not believe Occult is Mumbo Jumbo.

One of the most self sufficient and scientifically advanced systems in the history of the globe’s (Nazi Germany) leaders did not believe in Mumbo Jumbo! They were maybe Evil but not in to Mumbo Jumbo.

“Therefore, I still believe Energy came before Matter for it is this Energy that possesses the initial birth of consciousness. That is why I feel it begins as a baby, not knowing exactly how it will create its highest form of intelligence. But this Energy did somehow learn how to create Matter for without matter the complex forms of inorganic and organic entities cannot be created. Yes, Energy and Matter co-existed eternally for an infinite period but it was Energy that precipitated the process – at least in my mind. Finally, I equate this Energy as possessing a consciousness that develops and creates as its crowing purpose in its life-type existence. Inherent in that purpose, its will to exist has become a part of all living matter.”


Artificial Intelligence

How about Robotics? We have already created Artificial Intelligence and tomorrow at the point of Singularity, if not careful, Artificial Intelligence can take over control from Human! Computers and Robots can take over simply because they are more logical than human and less emotional than human. So what are they? Where would they fit in your universe? Conscious? Matters and Energies? What does that make us? God? But then again This God will be weaker than its Creation! So could our God be weaker than us? Could we be superior to our God, who created us but we surpassed him? Think about it?

“Dr. X, in response to my analogy of the atom being very similar to our solar system”


Very good observation on the similarity

“Like you, I do not define consciousness as a single God who created all, but I do not subscribe to this consciousness as being ‘Universal Intelligence.’ Such a term implies an intelligence that is universal or the same throughout the universe. Just as we do not know god we do not know what this Universal Intelligence (UI) is. At what level of intelligence does it exist and is it the same everywhere? I believe if you want to use the term UI, then one must be careful to not try to quantify it for I believe it is a consciousness that like a baby, has grown, and after many trillions of years, constructed many ways to build our universe with all its different forms of matter, which can also come to life as organic matter.”


Universal Intelligence should not be looked at as an intelligence which is the same quality or quantity everywhere; however, it should be comprehended as the combine intelligence of all intelligent forms of animated or inanimated (as long as we cannot be sure if there is no intelligence within them) elements. It is universal as a specific quantity and quality everywhere but it is universal because it covers all intelligence everywhere in the universes or at least our universe.

“Therefore, even God, if we were to believe in such an entity as UI, had to have been a baby and grew over the period of infinity to become a consciousness that pervades the universe.”


Universal Intelligence and God

Now, as you believe I might be infected with Middle Eastern thought pattern on spirits and assume they are hovering like Jinns, I also know that you are infected with the most basic human concept which assumes:

If there is a creation,
Then there must be a creator!


No there is no creator as a God. No creator created the universe.

There is a big difference between Universal Intelligence and God. Even though this existence (shall we call it) had evolved through the years (millions and billions of years) and it is constantly evolving (like everything else), yet this entity is not a single creator because it is the combine intelligence of all intelligent forms around the universe. The interaction between “All” intelligence makes the whole system to function.

You look at it as an Abrahamian Version of God but I look at it as a Scientific Entity. Even though you are a scientist and an engineer, yet subconsciously you categorize it as “A Spirit” or “A God”. Get my drift? Your God functions and operates as a Spirit (even though he is Energy)!

Now for something totally different!

Universal Intelligence, the same as all intelligent forms, can evolve, mutate or devolve in a manner that a specie can adopt and survive, mutate and evolve or not adopt and become extinct or mutate and devolve! But when a specie evolves or devolves, this process happens to that specie; however, when you expand this to UI, then you must consider that in this UI, many species evolve, many devolve, many survive and many extinct, yet in all, UI changes status towards evolving, devolving, mutating and surviving, but UI can never be born or be extinct. UI is eternal, no beginning and no end.

“So Dr. X, are we both saying that Consciousness and UI are the same thing? If so, I prefer Consciousness because I have no idea what UI is because Intelligence signifies an entity and I do not envision an entity such as God.”


Quality of UI

Consciousness is a quality and a status of existence.
Universal Intelligence is a collective of Consciousness from “All”.


“The UI or Consciousness, to me, like everything else, came from something. Whether it was first in the form of Energy or Matter is a question that scientists may never agree on. The only reason why I subscribe to Energy as being first is that Matter by itself does not possess the Will to Exist. That Energy was very likely the magnetic, electrical and gravitational forces that are inherent in Matter. But I believe Matter is a static entity while Energy is viable force that is mobile and has the Will to exist. That is why I feel Energy created Matter and is the Consciousness that is the Creator of the Universe.”


Universal Intelligence has always been there and will always be there. It came from eternity and it will be until infinity.

Even though you still have issues with the “Scientific Law” (not theory):

Conservation Law of Matters and Energies, which states:

“Matters and Energies were never created and will never destroy but they continuously change from one form to another (and to each other).”

Which is still puzzling because how and why can a scientist (like you) have an issue with a scientific law (not theory)?

So it is pretty hard to pinpoint the very first element to be energy or matter because they both have always been there.

Have in mind that there is a very thin line between describing certain entities as matters or energy! In certain forms, an element may seem like both or look like one and act as the other or vice versa. That thin line can be vanished in some cases because Matters and Energies in many occasions look and act pretty similar. Or one maybe about to transfer to the other form so it is pretty hard to tell which is it?

“Dr, X, we are in close agreement except that “Spirits” are the inherent embodiment of consciousness that is able to express itself in organic life,”


Yes indeed, you put that in wonderful words, so scientifically correct and so logical.

“You know, I could not be more blessed to have a friend, a highly intelligent man, who likes how I think. But you do more than like a person, you give of yourself to uplift and enhance the lives of others. I am blessed to have a gift like you in my life for through you the world may yet get to know more about me. Thank you Brother X.”


Do not go sentimental on me G Nex!

It is true; one should make a difference to the society before he dies. This difference comes in many forms and one form is affecting the lives of others, especially the lives of intelligent life forms (such as you) and not necessarily Cattle (like Followers of Muhammad)! Go figure!

“Muslims worry too much about Jinns, which is an indication of their mental development. At least they believe in one-universal God Allah.”


Abrahamian Gods

Allah is far from God or Universal Intelligence. What kind of God requires worship, requires Rights, have mood changes, threatens, gets angry and destroys, gets psychotic and gets revenge or banish civilizations. Allah is a twisted creation from the mind of Muhammad but in that manner, all Abrahamic Gods including Yahweh the Jew God have all these human like emotions, mood swings and anger!

This is why the whole concept of God as a Supreme Spirit in Abrahamic Religions particularly Allah is comical and made belief for simple minds or religious people.

Universal Intelligence is a scientific approach and science age definition for a primitive term such as God.

God is a storybook fairytale for adults but Universal Intelligence is a comprehensive interactive phenomenon which you and I are parts of it.

“Universal Intelligence (UI) is a concept because nobody knows what this intelligence is.”


Yes we do and yes you do too! I prove it that you do too!

“ Does it exist as it does in a human being, a bird, or an ant?”


It exists in “All” and furthermore, it is “All”, the combination of “All”!

“The level of UI is, at least to me, a consciousness that exists at all levels of development from the smallest atom to a complex galaxy with many stars and life forms. Yes, UI and consciousness may be thought as being energies. But they exist at many different levels until consciousness reaches its highest level, the ability to think and reflect on the universe itself. This may be the crowning glory of UI or consciousness that started as a baby, only simple atoms, that after many trillions of years developed the high form of intelligent being that is able to think about who or what created it.”


You have just answered yourself! First you asked a question, then you made a statement that no one knows, next you answered yourself and proved to yourself that your question was flawed and your primary line of reasoning was primitive. In a way you answered yourself with much intellectual prejudice! I think you have just evolved, made a mental mutation, a jump and you have become a Higher Form of Intelligence! Therefore, now your contribution to the Universal Intelligence is at a higher level and a higher frequency!

I, as the representative and the “Harbinger of Universal Intelligence” named Ahreeman, thank you for your Self Evolution and Total Contribution to human consciousness advancement and Universal Intelligence progression!

Amen!

Sign,

I, the Harbinger of UI
Ahreeman X

“I have to show your complement because you made my day to credit me as being a philosopher.”


I did not credit you or make or declare you a philosopher; thus, you are a philosopher. Maybe you did not know it or doubted it. I just brought this fact out from your soul and psyche and dragged it out to life; therefore, I now declare you:

Philosopher G Nex, formerly known as a Mythical Being, the Saint Nicholas!

Now after removing my sword from the top of your head and declaring you (not a title) a philosopher, I also bless you in the name of Father (from Under), the Son (Ahreeman) and the Dark Holy Spirit (the Raven) connecting the two! Now that was the Dark version of Trinity! Thus I am on the Dark Side!

“We both agree that it did not all start with the Big Bang.”


No it did not. I am for a “Snake Theory” almost connecting loops of snake’s body but not actually touching. It is a snake like graph from eternity until infinity, a never beginning and never ending universe of transforming elements, no beginning, no end, no big bang, no god!

Theory of Everything
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“You wrote that in the future the brain can be transplanted, artificial intelligence, cloning, and consciousness built into machines will become a reality. True, but then happiness cannot be fully appreciated for one must know sorrow and disappointments to feel the joys of life. Will preprogrammed minds be able to reach the level of hypothetical thinking and the physical sensations that consciousness has willed into our bodies? Namely, will life still laugh, cry, and enjoy the sensations of physical love and creative mental thought?”


Beautifully stated. We will create advanced robots, androids, artificial intelligence and so on but can we recreate the human experience? I doubt if we can ever!

To create consciousness maybe not that hard but to create the Soul is dead hard!

Now go figure the definition for the element of “Soul”!

Here we go again: Energy, Matter, Spirit, Chopped Liver, Cheetos Puff, Fragrance, ..... yet another G Nex Ahreemanic philosophical debate! Praise the Lord! Have mercy on people’s souls!

The Nun and the Priest at the corner forming crosses on their chests while whispering gently in repetition:

Have mercy on my soul
Have mercy on my soul
Have mercy on my soul
Have mercy on my soul
Have mercy on my soul …..
Can’t take anymore of these 2 thus I am getting brain-ache due to all this philosophy!

Have mercy on my soul
Have mercy on my soul …..
Have mercy on my souuuuuuuuuuuuul …..

“Thank you Brother X for enlightening me to know that it was an Iranian, Salman Farsi, that was Muhammad’s left hand that led to the beliefs that were put down in the infamous Qur’an. You have indicated that is about 222 years in the struggle of Iran’s independence. You also wrote that Muhammad, Ali, and Abu Bakr were instrumental in writing the Qur’an. My research indicated that Muhammad could not read or write and that it was his Companions that put together the Qur’an about 20 years after the death of Muhammad in 632 CE. Perhaps you have data to indicate if true or otherwise.”


Salman was the Mazdakite Marxist brain and author behind Quran. I believe that Muhammad was extremely intelligent and despite the fact that he could not read or write, yet he transformed all the Islamic Doctrine to Salman and Ali to put on paper. Others believe that Muhammad could read and write and then there are others who believe that Quran was written decades later after Muhammad.

222 Years of Struggle for Independence of Iran
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/eng ... /index.htm

“Dr. X your library that presents a History of Iran and its many great Persians, such as Cyrus the Great, is to be commended. You have provided a source of information that is invaluable for mankind to refer to in the years to come.”


IPC Iran Online Library is the largest Iranian Online Library in both English and Persian which is like UI evolving and getting more and more completed! In the future, after we are all gone, it will still remain on the net, even if not on the server, on the Internet Archives and it will show traces of once existed “Great Civilization” named IPC which tried to advance the human civilization more and more towards Evolution of Perfection and Knowledge.

Internet Archive
https://archive.org/

Nicholas:
“You have confirmed what I have also concluded about there being only two types of Muslims. I repeat it below for our misinformed Americans who would love to accommodate President Obama’s desire to have hundreds of thousands of Muslims enter the United States.”


Ahreeman:
‘There are only 2 types of Muslims:

1. True Muslims
Example: ISIS and Al Qaeda
Who follow Quran and Muhammad word by word
Muhammad was a terrorist and Quran is a Terror manual.

2. Ignorant Muslims
Majority of Muslims in the world and Rag heads in America who never read Quran but follow Islam because their parents and grandparents were Muslims!’


Yes, the worst part is that majority of Muslims have never read Quran but believe in it and defend it to death! How idiotic is that?

“It is true that Islam is far worse that Nazism and Communism for their objective is for Islam to dominate the world with an outdated and poorly written document titled, The Qur’an.”


No, Islam is far worse than Nazism and Communism because:

I. Islam poses as a Religion and has the power of Religion behind it to carry a herd of ignorant followers behind it as cattle.

II. Islam has political correctness and liberals in the west behind it who ignorantly give it legitimacy as a legitimate religion with rights to coexist with!

III. Islam believes in Taqiyah (justified lies) which makes any Muslim to pose and act as chameleon to make the infidels to believe in “Islam Religion of Peace” and “Moderate Muslims” and so on which will be the end of the Western Civilization. As in practice, you can see what Islam is doing to Europe but Hopefully, Trumpism is stopping it to occur in America! A year ago when we did the last part of this debate during the Obama Era, hope was slim but now after Trump presidency, there exists hope for Western Civilization and Persian Civilization because as I always states: Regime change in Iran requires Regime change in America! Well, one down, one to go!


Islam is a Disease and Muslims are Infected
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/islam ... /index.htm

Islam, a Dangerous Political Ideology!
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“Dr.X, I disagree that, in some way, we live another life as energy and in a way our intelligence becomes a part of Universal Intelligence. After we die, as energy we are no longer independent-thinking energies. Only fragments of generated wave thoughts may still linger in space. Our personality, based upon the parts of a living body does no longer exist. Yes, what energy floats in space to join UI has no real significance any longer. Sorry to disappoint the believers that there is of afterlife living as some sort of Spirit. But life ends when your heart stops to feed nourishing blood to the brain, which allows the mind to be active. The Hereafter is a religious belief to induce people to follow a certain path or set of rules.”


Yes But still I insist that in a way, we do live another life as energy, and matter changes form and we become released energy joining all universal energy or shall we color it in a way that our intelligence becomes a part of the “Universal Intelligence.

Existence is existence and who came back from afterlife to report the measurements of it? Who knows what will happen? Afterlife is nothing like what Abrahamian Religions describe as Heaven and Hell or Reincarnation as Hindus report; however, there is an afterlife as energy and matter.

One’s matters will be reincarnated as other living forms (worms and maggots eat your dead body and you become them, they fertilize the soil which grows grass and cow eats grass and you become cow) and your energy leaves this earth and joins other energies. Further studies are needed to see possible more advance testifies of what happens afterlife or how advance will be this afterlife but I can assure you that there will be afterlife and you become matter and energy and you will not be vanished from this universe! Now this afterlife may not be what Muahammad or Jesus or Moses predicted but there is an afterlife, a more logical one that Ahreeman predicted!

“I do not believe that that our intelligence joins what you call Universal Intelligence after death. I do not believe that humans have spirits or an intelligence that continues on to join UI. Yes, our bodies decay and may serve as matter that may be transformed into some other life form. But the mental thoughts, transmitted as brain waves created by our hearts and minds, will no longer be generated. Once the brain, the transmitter, has died thoughts are no longer created.”


I did not say that your thoughts will be transferred to UI as the present form but in some form of energy. How primitive or advance it may be, presently we do not have the proper tools to measure but one thing is for sure, they will not be as they are now in your brain!

However, if you want to be a party pooper and destroy religious people’s hopes and dreams and 72 virgins, then be like that and see where does that take you? In depth of infidel hell, that is where it takes you, ... you irredeemable infidel!

“The idea that our brain waves enter the universe and may be part of Universal Intelligence is valid; but only while we are alive and well. Matter and Energy will create other forms of inorganic and organic matter, but never will these forms possess the original thoughts that were created by former living entities.”


Yes but they can produce far more advance beings, thought patterns and intelligence which can contribute to the UI. We simply do not have the proper tools to measure that yet!

We simply do not know what will occur, how advanced of transaction will be this transformation of us at the moment of death and afterlife? There is life after death because death is not absolute and life continues. How this afterlife may suit people now and how they may like it is another issue but surely there is life because life never ends but it changes forms. Death in itself is another form of life. Matters survive and energies survive but they change forms. I conclude that there will be life, not as this consciousness exists now but maybe higher or lower consciousness! Nothing disappears and everything survives.

Actually parts of this survival will join UI and some parts will become a shining star! Technically speaking that is!

“I will add to your theory and that is small fragments of thought enter the universe to join a Consciousness that has existed for eternity. It is this Consciousness that has the will to create Matter, which will consist of inorganic and organic entities. Hopefully, this Consciousness, that pervades the Universe, will succeed in creating life forms that are capable of constructing thoughts that may eventually reach back out into the Universe and perhaps, someday, will appreciate and understand its power. The energy forces that began as a baby but has grown to attain its crowning achievement – life forms it could be proud of. The respect given to this Consciousness is to name it God – the Creator of all there is.”


No, even though the logic was scientific but naming it God due to respect or no respect, colors it theological and religious! This is not God but this is a scientific entity of collective consciousness named Universal Intelligence. It did not create everything, it will not destroy everything but it is every thing! It is ever existing everything and it is the force behind creation of every thing as we know it and much more that we do not know. It is the engine behind the element as we define as “Creation” which in fact it is an oxymoron because nothing gets created or destroyed; therefore, it is best to be referred to as “Transformation”! UI is the force behind “Transformation” of the Universe and Transformation of Earth and Creatures as we know it to now and to the future forms.

I am UI, you are UI and UI is “All”. This concept may be too hard to comprehend for human, but the fact is that “UI” is “All”. UI is collective of All Intelligence existing.

A Traditional Creator needing human mind can hardly digest this scientific logic!

“Thoughts are constructed due to matter, our brain, and energy that gives rise to consciousness. It has nothing to do with spirits. Our mind is what we are blessed with to create simple and complex ideas. These ideas originate out of necessity to live with one another. That is how morality and integrity came to be. We learned that by being nice to one another we can have more friendships and live happier lives as we build communities together.”


Interesting how you define Morality. Interesting perspective. Morality has nothing to do with religion, God and spirits. Morality has everything to do with human concept of creating functioning societies to interact and socialize as a necessity to seek good interaction with others.

“Brother X, it appears that you are a believer in a Spirit. If so, you might as well as define that Spirit as God. Or, you may believe that all humans have spirits because they have a mind that is capable of thought that creates the idea of a Spirit. You indicated that many classical and modern philosophers define the spirit as an element because you cannot see or feel it. That is, it is not part of the 5 senses. I say, so what. Why does thought have to be tasted, heard, touched, seen or smelled?”


Because that is the scientific way and method!

“Thought cannot be any of the 5 senses because thought consists of transmitted waves, which are devoid of the 5 senses.”


Waves can be measured with 5 senses indirectly (with tools). Therefore, thoughts are not waves, they may act as waves and travel as waves but they are not energy waves. That is why we define them as Spirits (many philosophers and scientists). Why? Because we cannot measure them with 5 senses or identify them with 5 senses.

“I believe I have already expressed what is thought, mind and consciousness.”


Yes but that is not the scientific definition of thoughts. It cannot be proved scientifically.

“I do not equate Consciousness with Spirit. It is energy that is created by the body whereby the heart sustains the flow of blood and nourishment to the brain that allows the mind to create thoughts. So yes, I believe that the concept of a Spirit is a figment of our imagination just as is the concept of God.”


But scientifically speaking, my method is the best scientific method to scientifically prove that Man made God and not vice versa. This is factual proof to turn a theologician in to a scientist, a holy man in to an atheist.

“Now, Brother X, you accuse me of picking and choosing my own scientific laws because I deviate from the theory of Conservation of Matter and Energy.”


But you do!

“This makes me sound like a deranged person.”


No it makes you sound like a stubborn scientist who is trying to get away with something unscientific to prove his point of view!

“To this accusation I can only say, there are exceptions to any law.”


No not scientific laws because they are not theories.

“For I believe that for anything to exist there must be a beginning. To say Energy and Matter always existed makes no sense to me. There is a beginning for everything.”


Because that is how traditional human mind works, it is limited to believe in a creator and a creation. Even the most scientific minds like you still have the old theological concept built deep into his psyche to believe in this traditional concept. It is theism and makes you a theist and we must reject it by scientific anti theism which makes you an atheist which is an anti theist.

Ahreeman:
“In a way, don’t you think, subconsciously, you are replacing a “Creator spirit” with a “Creator Energy” which is more scientific; however, you are still creating a Creator?”


Nicholas:
“Yes, I am creating a Creator, which I refer to as Consciousness because even the Creator (God) has a beginning. That is why I characterize Consciousness as being a baby at the very beginning. It took trillions of years for this baby to realize it was capable of having magnetic, electrical and gravitational powers that eventually enabled it to create Matter. Matter contained particles, ever so small, that was able to combine into little solar systems, which we call the atom. And it is the atom that has become the basic building block of all inorganic and organic entities.”


One question sir:

Who created your god?

Dango ate your god!

Do you see the problem with this?
And who created the god who created your god?
And ......

Eventually you must come up with the answer or state that your god is eternal and infinite which in your case, your god is pure energy, so to declare that, it makes you a believe in the scientific law, the Conservation Law of Matters and Energies. Do you see the fallacy in your logic which is in fact illogic?


Ahreeman:
“Why is it so hard to believe that even at the beginning point, there existed no Creator? No creator because there was no beginning and there will be no end!”


Nicholas:
“To you, and all the great scientific minds and philosophers, I simply believe that everything has a beginning. To me, this is a fundamental concept. My simple concept has nothing to do or compares with the Big Bang Theory because the big bang had to have been due to the extreme gravitational forces that exploded matter and energy out into the universe. But first, it was Consciousness that existed that brought all the particles and atoms together, which caused such high pressures and heat that the Big Bang occurred. We have had other big bangs due to black holes, pulsars and quasars that releases energy and matter back out into the universe.”


The Creator factor is illogical and unscientific. For a scientific person such as you, this is a No No!

Nicholas:
“I will agree with you that my theory is hypothetical and is not based on scientific laws.”


Actually your theory is hypocritical because you are a scientist and an engineer and your theory is LaLa Landish! But then again, I seen worse!

“But nevertheless, I cannot agree that Matter always existed with Energy. These are two very different entities or things.”


Actually in a many occasions, they come very close to each other to the point that sometimes one cannot distinguish between the two! For instance, at the point of transformation from one form to another, fractions and particles of matter become very close and could be mistaken with some energies (certain cases).

Other times, they seem like two different elements!

“I guess we have the classical argument, which came first the chicken or the egg?”


Santa Clause did!

Actually for you it is the case of Chicken or Egg?

For me they always co existed and Ol’ McDonald ran them in the farm!

“The simple answer is that there was a Consciousness that existed in the beginning that started out as a baby as it created matter from its energy sources. This baby became a creator as it found it could create great bodies of stars and planets, which eventually gave birth to organic life forms. So yes, the Creator was a child that after trillions of years, was able to give rise to matter that could sustain life. You can call this initial Consciousness the Creator or God; I have no problem with that. I do believe that it is this Consciousness that pervades the Universe. Other people, because they do not like the word God because of the stigma it connotes after having been misled by corrupted religious organizations, I agree that they should call this Consciousness – Universal Intelligence, which infers it has the ability to create as well. So, in essence, we can call Consciousness the Creator.”


You see, if you look at it and define it in that perspective (which is not scientific but it is your theory), then not that you defy the Conservation Law of Matters and Energies, yet somewhat you defy Einstein’s Relativity and Darwin’s Origin of Species. Your Creator once again becomes a Godlike figure which created everything.

You are just putting a coat of science on top of this creator by calling it energy, also you are putting a coat of evolution on this creator by calling it a baby at the beginning, yet the concept of creation still exists.

This complete theory is not scientific. It may be logical to you but scientifically it is flawed. And then you have the nerve to tell me that UI may not make sense?!

Universal Intelligence is far different than your Evolved Baby Creator. UI did not create anything but aided them to evolve. Also no one created UI and no one can destroy it.

I look at this issue from a philosophical materialistic point of view and a scientific point of view.

Yes, your god and UI are both intelligent and are consciousness but the quality of UI is not a single entity or a person. UI is a collective of billions of intelligence in universe that they all work together and co exist. They do not create things but they evolve things.

Your creator is a single entity like a person (in your case energy) who was a baby and now grown and created everything. This is the same as God but not in spiritual form.

You behave, think and act as a theist but with a scientific coating of your ideas. You defy laws and theories of science and bring this theory to life without any scientific backing. This is why I refer to what you are doing as mix and matching theories and laws as it suits you. Christian Scientists (oxymoronic) also do that!

This is where science becomes hypocrisy! This is where you become a hypocrite! In other words, you are a creationist in disguise with a scientific coat of paint on your ideas and maybe that is why you are so keen on Jesus and past prophets where as a scientist I have no respect for them!

I do not have a theory. I believe in Dialectical Materialism and Philosophical Materialism and Pure Science. Science is my God. My Universal Intelligence is compatible with scientific laws and theories. I may get symbolic at times and go Sci Fi at times but I do not mix and match laws and theories of science as they suit me nor I reject scientific facts and theories.

So in this manner, even though many of our common grounds brings us close philosophically, yet fundamentally your Energy Baby God Concept is a world apart than UI.

At the end of the day, I am a Materialist and even though you do not believe in Spirits, yet your Creator sounds, acts and defines as one! Still you believe in a creator but I believe in Science and nothing but Science.

What I am trying to do is to make UI scientifically compatible.

Again, who created your creator and who created the creator of your creator?
It is not logical! It is not scientific!

But I still take your theory over the Church and Pope!

“I read about your trip to the Bermuda Triangle and your adventure that almost brought immediate and irreversible danger. You lead a very intriguing and interesting life. Your quest to understand the unknown is admirable and it’s because you thirst for knowledge and the truth. I, and your readers look forward to you eventually writing about your experiences within the Bermuda Triangle.”


Eventually

“It was a long time before you found enough space from all your projects and responsibilities to respond to my last set of comments. We learn and explore ideas together and that is what I enjoy with you. Call it the romance of the minds.”


As long as we don’t call it a Bromance or a Gay Romance!

“If you were a woman, I would find you very intriguing in other ways.”


Did you just call me a Crossdresser?

“ Being able to express my thoughts to you, where I have not had the pleasure with others, has helped me to better articulate ideas that I normally don’t talk about. This is good because I also learn more about myself as well as you, another human being that is a gift to me.”


We better stop it right there because I think you are coming out of the closet!

“Amen! By the way, I am convinced that Amen is the name of God. At least, the God mankind has conceptualized and believes in.”


Amen Brother!

You know what I have just noticed?

These philosophical debates of ours have been going on for years! It takes a year to respond back and each post is 15 pages long! For a lengthy debate, well anticipating debate and time consuming debate, I notice that a ton of people follow these debates! Obviously people who follow this thread are Free Thinkers, Heavy Thinkers and Deep Thinkers because if they were not, then they would have not been following this for years!

This thread is very intriguing, educational and explosive for us and for all to explore, think and learn from. This is a type of thread which is making people to think and that is exactly my intention. It is always great to debate with you and hear new approaches and concepts from you. Surely you are a polished and knowledgeable mind to explore and consort with.

By the end of each 15 or 17 pages long post, I know I get brain-ache hopefully not brain damage! Just imagine how the readers feel!

Philosophy is a tough subject to read, follow, learn and debate, yet I have to admit that it is mind blowing, educational and addictive.

This is a thread for Deep Thinkers to follow and for us to enjoy.

Good debate and always a pleasure picking your mind. The readers love this debate (you can tell by the traffic) and one day we should publish it as an online book.

I bet with you that:

Zarathustra Spitmata’s spirit
Friedrich Nietzsche’s spirit
Bertrand Russell’s spirit
Charles Darwin’s spirit
Albert Einstein’s spirit
Gene Roddenberry’s spirit
Carl Sagan’s spirit
Stephen Hawking’s soul
Neil deGrasse Tyson’s soul


.... and the rest of the Greats’ spirits and souls are at this point of time and place looking down at us and they are with us, praising our efforts and action to conduct this philosophical and scientific debate to evolve the mental capacity and thought patterns of humanity. They are all telling us:

Amen!

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X (Philosophy of Existence)

Postby Nicholas Ginex » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:52 am

Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence Debate
Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
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Response by Nicholas Ginex » Tues March 14, 2017

Dear Dr. Ahreeman,

This morning I was about to practice my songs for an April Showers gig at a Senior Care Center, Seaside Terrace in Fountain Valley. But after reading your opening greeting I had to forego practice and respond to your exceptional sense of humor about the Muslim Santa Clause, appropriately titled, The Legend of “Sandy Khalas.” Once again you made me laugh. It’s great to start the day with laughter. I must say your rendition of Santa Claus should be a Muslim classic for adults and children of any country.

I liked your response to my thoughts about consciousness, a universe phenomenon. To me, it is somewhat like a baby that grows and behold, after many trillions of years it has created life from inorganic matter that is capable of thinking. I liked your reasoning about intelligence of the universe whereby you wrote:

Level of intelligence is relative to the time period in history of the universe or universes. As you stated, it evolves. The reason it is universal is that technically “Universal Intelligence” is the combine consciousness of all elements, the combine intelligence of all creatures, all and all in universal harmony. Together they build the “Universal Intelligence” which creates a system of function in the universe or universes.

If you look at each element as a micro perspective, you do not see the universality of the intelligence; however, if you look at the system with a macro perspective, then you see the totality of the system as a functioning order. There is an order within all the chaos. That is the beauty of it.


The level of intelligence varies with respect to the complexity of the life form created. True, Universal Intelligence exists, but in many forms and at many different levels, depending of the evolution of the life form to finally articulate thoughts and transfer knowledge and experiences to other life forms. Yes, there is a complete system that is in harmony with all the elements created by Universal Intelligence, but this intelligence exists at many levels.

With respect to your statement that, “Spirits cannot exist without matters and energies,” My position is that there are no “Spirits” that exist in the universe. Just as there is no God but a spirit conceived by man in the universe. You wrote,

I believe Spirits exist yet Matters created them and energies created them and without them, spirits cannot exist. I created God and not vice versa.


This statement is in agreement with me in that just as you create God so do you create the idea of a “Spirit.” It is our thoughts that create Spirits and God, where God is another form of spirit visualized by the human being. Therefore, “Spirits” is not a third element in the Universe. It is the combination of atoms that form elements and substances that finally evolve into organic life that is capable of thinking. The higher life forms, like human beings, are capable of thought to reach out into the Universe and try to understand how it all happened. This is the crowning glory of the Universe; that its own creations may come to understand how and why “IT” exists.

Dr. X, you wrote that you believe aliens have provided the missing link or DNA in humans to create the jump and sudden evolution in a distant time period as follows:

Human physical functionality maybe similar but human mind due to brain complexity is far different (as the result of experiments done by aliens). I imagine you are not a fan of Ancient Astronauts Theory?! But you have to admit in case of the Missing Link, it makes sense! Something happened to create the jump and sudden evolution in that time period, the missing link!


I need to state that it is foolish to believe some aliens conducted experiments that advanced man to another level of evolution and have something to do with the Missing Link. Yes, it is possible for alien visitors to conduct experiments for a small segment of people somewhere in Africa. But this theory falls apart when one considers that there are millions of human beings that evolved on many continents of our earth. It is known that humans with advanced brain functionality exist not only in Africa but in other lands, which means the aliens could NOT have tampered with the DNA of all the other races around the globe.

As you so aptly pointed out, evolution produces change into ever higher complex life forms. Let us give credit to the human beings that invented light, the computer, machines that take us to into space, and TV where we are able to see an image emanating from another point. Scientists and physicists have been able to obtain greater understanding of the atom and its sub particles. These are human achievements borne out of the thoughts of the human mind and no alien had anything to do with these marvellous inventions.

But what has not been defined is how energy, be it gravitational, magnetic and electrical, originated as a force. You wrote that Spirits are a third element and they are not energies. I agree with you but in what way is a Spirit or Spirits a third element? It you consider “Spirit” as a form of consciousness that may be a possibility. But a Spirit that designs the end products of each element in the Universe is not believable, at least to me. For then, you will be defining some sort of God that is designing and controlling the development of the Universe.

Dr. X, you stated,

My point is that Spirits are the third element and they are not energies. If they were energies, they could also exist inside inanimate objects such as Rock!


And then wrote,

But on the other hand, consciousness is also relative. It comes in many forms. When you see an incest eating plant, at first glance it does not move but then when a fly sits on it, it moves and eats the fly! So is it conscious?


Yes, the plant feels sunlight and enjoys rain. The fly has a level of consciousness that is able to respond to its senses. You can tell when a plant, tree or flower is happy. However, like the fly-eating plant, there are different levels of consciousness. Is there consciousness in a rock? No. A rock is an inorganic form versus an organic form that has some kind of moving parts or apparatus that sustains its life. Elements by themselves, iron, silver, gold, and rocks, which are inanimate, do not think. There needs to be some level of fluid in organic form to allow it to function and with an evolved mind, able to conceive thought, not simply a reaction like a fly-eating plant (although a lower level of consciousness).

In humans and higher order animals, the mind is sustained by fluid that brings food and oxygen and thus allows it to conceive thought. Thoughts are formulated within the mind by the constant interaction of cells in its memory, whereby learned experiences, words, and feelings are remembered to piece together, hopefully, common sense and useful ideas.

I humbly would like to reiterate my former comment on this topic about Spirits, which you quoted and is provided again below:

“Yes, I deny the existence of Spirits and promote the idea that there is a consciousness that somehow has the will to create matter, which is then able to exist both inorganically and organically. That consciousness becomes viable when matter has developed in complex and fluid forms whereby thought processes are able to be formed. A stone is unable to form a thought, but a dog, cat, even ants as well as apes, flowers, bees, and humans are able to sense and react whereby at the higher levels of consciousness can interpret what to do next. Run or fight to stay alive.”

Negative or Positive Energy exists.

Dr. X, I liked your thoughts about the “Evil Eye” as bad or negative energy. In the same way, positive energy exists, whereby you can feel when somebody likes you or is in sink with your thoughts. Some call that “love.” As you know, love exists in different degrees depending on the mental and physical relationship between two people. Yes, there is some form of energy or consciousness that is transmitted that may harm or provide solace from another person. So yes, I believe in mental telepathy, whereby ones thoughts can be sent over long distances and felt by the person that has some connection mentally and physically.

I was impressed that you ended the – of + energy with a quote from me. I will repeat it with a small update to the final sentence.

“Therefore, I still believe Energy came before Matter for it is this Energy that possesses the initial birth of consciousness. That is why I feel it begins as a baby, not knowing exactly how it will create its highest form of intelligence. But this Energy did somehow learn how to create Matter for without matter the complex forms of inorganic and organic entities cannot be created. Yes, Energy and Matter co-existed eternally for an infinite period but it was Energy that precipitated the process – at least in my mind. Finally, I equate this Energy as possessing a consciousness that develops and creates its crowning purpose in its life-type existence. That is, its will to exist, which has become a part of all living matter.”

Hence, the strong desire to reproduce. It is a will inherent in Energy, which drives Consciousness in the Universe to create matter and from that platform, create organic matter that reaches a level of intelligence that is able to look back into the Universe. The crowning glory of the Universe is that it has created highly intelligent entities that are able of revering its magnificent creations of galaxies consisting of stars, pulsars, and black holes. Last but not least, the Universe will achieve its purpose when all self-thinking entities, such as humans and aliens revere its magnificence.

Artificial Intelligence

Dr. X, you posed some thought provoking questions and they deserve to be quoted below.

How about Robotics? We have already created Artificial Intelligence and tomorrow at the point of Singularity, if not careful, Artificial Intelligence can take over control from Human! Computers and Robots can take over simply because they are more logical than human and less emotional than human. So what are they? Where would they fit in your universe? Conscious? Matters and Energies? What does that make us? God? But then again. This God will be weaker than its Creation! So could our God be weaker than us? Could we be superior to our God, who created us but we surpassed him? Think about it?


There is reason to believe that Robots can exceed the intelligence of the human mind and may decide to control its creator, man. But an essential element the Robot does not have is the inherent will to reproduce, sexual reproduction that life forms are born with. The Robot will certainly become highly intelligent but will eventually wear out like any material without the capability to reproduce itself. You counter with the idea that it can manufacture another Robert to take its place. But the old Robot will have to reprogram all the information it possesses in the created or baby Robot. This will not be an easy process because ideas build upon former ideas and the baby will not be able to digest or connect the billions of data that exists in its parent Robot.

However, I could be wrong because just as we can transpose information or data from one computer to another, the Robot will very likely do the same thing with its baby Robot so that it may be successful in sustaining Robots indefinitely. Good questions Dr. X, but I do not believe we humans are dumb enough to give the Robot that much power to duplicate itself.

Universal Intelligence

Dr. X, I do not like the term Universal Intelligence, “because it covers all intelligence everywhere in the universes or at least our universe.” What is this UI? UI varies with different levels of elements, be they inorganic or organic and therefore, it is not “universal.” Yes, to say UI exists as the total existence of intelligence everywhere makes it “universal” is ok but somewhat misleading because it is not the same everywhere or universal. Yes, the Universe possesses Intelligence but at many different levels, which therefore, cannot be quantified.

Whereas, "Consciousness" exists everywhere but at different levels and like a baby, it matures as it evolves into higher life forms. Yet, down to the very atom that makes up life forms, there is a “Consciousness” that has the will to evolve; and as it gains expression in life forms, it is able to articulate thought; thought that is based upon data received by the senses of the life form it exists in. In simple terms, higher forms of life have the brain capacity to store ideas in memory and thoughts are conceived but the life form must be alive and functioning. Like my father always said, “When you’re dead, you’re dead.”

Dr. X, thank you for quoting me at the end of this UI topic for it provides a personal thought that may have some value. It is repeated below:

"Therefore, even God, if we were to believe in such an entity as UI, had to have been a baby and grew over the period of infinity to become a consciousness that pervades the universe."

I should take the opportunity to have our IPC members reflect on the article I wrote on, Does Consciousness Pervade the Universe? You provided it as an IPC post under the link,

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Universal Intelligence and God

Dr. X, I need to clarify my belief about God. I do not know God for like the great Egyptian priests, they believed He was incomprehensible, mysterious, and unknowable. This idea about God, to me, is different in that I believe in evolution beginning with the atom and its smallest sub particles. The various combinations of atoms have made the many elements and substances that form inorganic and organic entities, which possess a certain level of consciousness. That consciousness has the will to create higher life forms that finally, after trillions of years, are able to reach back out into the universe and try to learn how it all started. This is the crowning glory of our Universe. And this evolved consciousness in man has given it the creativity to believe it is a Spirit or God that is involved with the evolutionary process.

Quality of UI

Dr. Ahreeman, we partially agree on the term Universal intelligence. You believe in the basic law of the conservation of energy,

Matters and Energies were never created and will never destroy but they continuously change from one form to another (and to each other).


As a consequence of this law, you believe that:

Universal Intelligence has always been there and will always be there. It came from eternity and it will be until infinity.


As I have discussed above, I do not believe matter and energy always existed, at least not matter and energy as we have come to learn about. I believe that with everything, there is a beginning, which is why I do not agree that UI has always been there. Just as the atom evolved from sub-particles and has inherent energy, we have learned it exists with gravitational, electrical and magnet properties, which all began at a very low level of evolution. The galaxies, stars and plants did not exist in the beginning but were born out of the vast sea (space) of the universe that contained minute particles that somehow were able to coalesce together.

Universal Intelligence, therefore to me, did not evolve the intelligence we today experience as consciousness. It took trillions upon trillions of years to have atoms produce matter that makes up the galaxies that exist with stars and planets. Only after the stars and planets were formed did organic life forms appear and evolve to higher levels of physical being and intelligence. Therefore, I conceive UI like consciousness; in the beginning it was like a baby that finally evolved to much higher levels of matter with ever stronger gravitational, electrical and magnetic properties.

So, perhaps we agree on UI as also having a beginning for it came to exist as matter and energy evolved. But to say it has always been there in the form it exists today appears to be an error in analysis. But we agree, that UI does evolve like the matter it is part of and constantly changes.

I was honoured that you accepted my conclusion, “Dr, X, we are in close agreement except that “Spirits” are the inherent embodiment of consciousness that is able to express itself in organic life,” Your response was,
Yes indeed, you put that in wonderful words, so scientifically correct and so logical.


Dr. X, you presented a quote in which I tried to define UI and I was impressed that it was consistent with what I wrote in the last few paragraphs. It is presented again because since you consider yourself as the “Harbinger of Universal Intelligence,” it appears we are in agreement that UI somehow is a form of consciousness that may be considered as a Spirit or God (which is a spirit mankind visualizes in human form).

“The level of UI is, at least to me, a consciousness that exists at all levels of development from the smallest atom to a complex galaxy with many stars and life forms. Yes, UI and consciousness may be thought as being energies. But they exist at many different levels until consciousness reaches its highest level, the ability to think and reflect on the universe itself. This may be the crowning glory of UI or consciousness that started as a baby, only simple atoms, that after many trillions of years developed the high form of intelligent being that is able to think about who or what created it.”

The UI quote is presented above because you gave me another compliment that deserves to be set below:

I think you have just evolved, made a mental mutation, a jump and you have become a Higher Form of Intelligence! Therefore, now your contribution to the Universal Intelligence is at a higher level and a higher frequency!

I, as the representative and the “Harbinger of Universal Intelligence” named Ahreeman, thank you for your Self Evolution and Total Contribution to human consciousness advancement and Universal Intelligence progression

Amen!


Dr. X, once again you bring a smile on my face by declaring me a philosopher. You sure know how to lift my spirit with your declaration:

Philosopher G Nex, formerly known as a Mythical Being, the Saint Nicholas!

Now after removing my sword from the top of your head and declaring you (not a title) a philosopher, I also bless you in the name of Father (from Under), the Son (Ahreeman) and the Dark Holy Spirit (the Raven) connecting the two! Now that was the Dark version of Trinity! Thus, I am on the Dark Side!

I don’t laugh easily but your sense of humour is astounding!

Reflecting on your term, Universal Intelligence, I have some reservations about it. We both agree that UI is like Consciousness, which I believe pervades the universe. However, the reason I dislike the term Universal Intelligence is that intelligence connotes the ability to think and make decisions. I do not believe that UI is capable of thinking, the ability to generate thought. However, I like the term Consciousness because one may be conscious but not be able to think; just as one who is alive but unable to think due to physical injury or just totally relaxing.

Yes, as thinking individuals, our thoughts may be transmitted into space, the Universe. But that does not mean intelligence is added to the Universe. Such thoughts drift out into space without any way to be connected as intelligence for use because unlike our brains, which store conceived thought, there is no way for another intelligence to retrieve it. Ideas are made up of thoughts and unconnected thoughts into space may make no sense. Therefore, I rather refer to the evolving process in space as Consciousness that exists at different levels in all matter. Perhaps, Universal Consciousness may be more appropriate that Universal Intelligence.

Dr. X, you stated that the IPC Iran Online Library will,

In the future, after we are all gone, it will still remain on the net, even if not on the server, on the Internet Archives and it will show traces of once existed “Great Civilization” named IPC which tried to advance the human civilization more and more towards Evolution of Perfection and Knowledge.


Your marvellous IPC website may never be accessed in the Internet Archives by interested users in Persian history or know of the works of all the wonderful artists, philosophers and inventors, including yours.
I recommend that before you leave this very challenging world, that you leave your IPC associates in charge of preserving the wealth of information by having dollars endowed to preserve your website on-line for at least 50 to 100 years. There will be a need for your website to be accessible by other aspiring minds who understand and appreciate the valuable amounts of human works you have so diligently posted or hosted on IPC. Knowledge is a valuable gift and you should try to make it accessible for the next 100 years.

Back to our philosophical debate. Dr. X, after I stated, “After we die, as energy we are no longer independent-thinking energies. Only fragments of generated wave thoughts may still linger in space.” you wrote,

Yes. But still I insist that in a way, we do live another life as energy, and matter changes form and we become released energy joining all universal energy or shall we color it in a way that our intelligence becomes a part of the “Universal Intelligence."


Once dead, the energy that was generated by our body and mind no longer exists. Yes, our material body may decay but will not live on as energy to join Universal Intelligence. Just as quasars have stars that explode one another and energy is released to start the creation of other stars and planets, our own personal energy that is made up of the experiences, feelings and sensations stored in the brain no longer exists to join the UI.

Therefore, I do not glorify UI as benefitting from the energy I once possessed. However, something may be said that during our lifetime, thoughts are transmitted into the universe and yes, in that way, becomes part of UI. So, I disagree that there is an afterlife as energy and matter. Instead, there is a totally new beginning for energy and matter to create other life forms. Who knows, such energy and matter may become a rock, or an ant, a flower, tree, bird or animal. But certainly, no more Nick Ginex or Professor Ahreeman will form. We may become some kind of other alien or life form in a distant galaxy never to enjoy the intellectual discourse and friendship we have today.

Jeepers! Dr. X you made me laugh again after I read,

However, if you want to be a party pooper and destroy religious people’s hopes and dreams and 72 virgins, then be like that and see where does that take you? In depth of infidel hell, that is where it takes you, ... you irredeemable infidel!


Dr. Ahreeman, you hold on to the wonderful idea that,

surely there is life because life never ends but it changes forms. Death in itself is another form of life. Matters survive and energies survive but they change forms. I conclude that there will be life, not as this consciousness exists now but maybe higher or lower consciousness! Nothing disappears and everything survives.


Yes, I agree that matter and energy changes form but so what. If I no longer exist as Nicholas Ginex the philosopher, writer, singer and Pope, then I do not care what I become in the next million or trillion years.

After I was quoted by you with the statement, “The energy forces that began as a baby but has grown to attain its crowning achievement – life forms it could be proud of. The respect given to this Consciousness is to name it God – the Creator of all there is.” You responded by writing,

No, even though the logic was scientific but naming it God due to respect or no respect, colors it theological and religious! This is not God but this is a scientific entity of collective consciousness named Universal Intelligence. It did not create everything, it will not destroy everything but it is everything!


In the same way you refer to the scientific entity of collective consciousness as Universal Intelligence, I simply gave it a name called God. Yes, I agree with you that it is not the God humans have conceived but the energy forces that somehow possess a consciousness that have the will to create matter and life forms. For me, I prefer to give UI an honorable name called God because UI is nothing more than an idea, just as is God. To me, UI and God is the same entity because it has the ability to evolve organic and inorganic matter. Forget about the God term as used by religious people as being something that can be visualized. God, like UI, is incomprehensible, mysterious, and unknowable; at least, until scientists figure out if indeed it were sub-particles that were able to form the first atom. The first creation of UI or consciousness may be the atom for it possesses gravitational, electrical and magnetic properties.

Dr. X, after reading your long dissertation whereby you stated,

I believe in Dialectical Materialism and Philosophical Materialism and Pure Science. Science is my God. My Universal Intelligence is compatible with scientific laws and theories.

So in this manner, even though many of our common grounds brings us close philosophically, yet fundamentally your Energy Baby God Concept is a world apart than UI.

At the end of the day, I am a Materialist and even though you do not believe in Spirits, yet your Creator sounds, acts and defines as one! Still you believe in a creator but I believe in Science and nothing but Science.


I was able to laugh again to see you agree with me that UI is in fact Consciousness for that is why the element of Intelligence exists. I still believe that the entire Universe began with the formation of sub-particles that form atoms that became the building blocks of matter and all life forms. Therefore, I do NOT believe in God as our fellow humans do. I believe that there was a beginning whereby sub-particles, after trillions and trillions of years, were able to coalesce into atoms that scientifically we have concluded that all matter and life forms are made up of atoms.

Please do not get excited in thinking that I believe in some Creator God. I believe that Consciousness pervades the Universe and is able to evolve (create is a dirty word) matter that can eventually produce life forms with the heat of a star. We are both on the same wave length but I refuse to think that stars and planets existed in the beginning. I believe that all matter was formed by sub-particles that eventually evolved to fill the Universe with stars and planets that are capable to sustain life.

The problem You appear to have is you have a stigma to call UI and Consciousness - God. Alright, to make you happy, I will refrain calling UI and Consciousness God because it is a phenomenon that pervades the Universe. Therefore, I do NOT have the Creator people refer to as God.

Dr. X I felt it was necessary to repeat your last few thoughts in our debate.

Good debate and always a pleasure picking your mind. The readers love this debate (you can tell by the traffic) and one day we should publish it as an online book.

I bet with you that:

Zarathustra Spitmata’s spirit
Friedrich Nietzsche’s spirit
Bertrand Russell’s spirit
Charles Darwin’s spirit
Albert Einstein’s spirit
Gene Roddenberry’s spirit
Carl Sagan’s spirit
Stephen Hawking’s soul
Neil deGrasse Tyson’s soul


.... and the rest of the Greats’ spirits and souls are at this point of time and place looking down at us and they are with us, praising our efforts and action to conduct this philosophical and scientific debate to evolve the mental capacity and thought patterns of humanity. They are all telling us:

Amen!


Dr X, great minds think alike!! I also felt that there is so much thought that the average person is never exposed to that it would be worthwhile to publish our philosophical debate on-line. It would be nice for IPC readers to explore new avenues of thought in a book that has a table of contents.

Thank you for engaging me into the wonders of your mind.

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Nicholas Ginex » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:47 pm

:rofl: Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X (Philosophy of Existence)
by Nicholas Ginex » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:48 pm. Revised Nov 5, 2019.

Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence Debate
Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects

Ongoing Online Philosophical and Scientific Debate that
Features the Electron and the Beginning of the Universe!


To Dr. Ahreeman X Sun July 15, 2018

Our last discussion on was placed on IPC, March 14, 2017. Knowing you are involved in many matters, I thought I should take the initiative to continue our philosophical debate.

For our IPC readers to step into our discussion easily, a good start would be to read the following two articles. Brief in content they allow those who have ever wondered how the universe began to be introduced to ideas that may stimulate their interest. The articles are on IPC via:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/consciousness-pervade/index.htm

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/everything-beginning/index.htm

Everything Has a Beginning – Even the Universe

The link above introduced the core idea that atoms evolve inorganic and organic matter. This idea is presented below:

The article hypostatized that the universe began with development of a fundamental unit that is the basic building block of all matter – the atom. Over an undetermined period of billions or trillions of years, the atom and its sub-particles appear to inherently possess a consciousness to evolve matter at higher complexities with a purpose to create intelligence that can reach out to understand its creation - the universe. This hypothetical idea that matter, created by atoms that determine inorganic and organic outcomes can assume high levels of consciousness may have some merit because we are proof as thinking products of our universe.


Two days ago, I inadvertently found on the Internet an extraordinary scientific paper that supports the philosophical idea that the universe had a beginning. It delves deeper into the structure of the atom and indicates that the electron is the fundamental unit that first appeared in space and is responsible for not only evolving the atom but inherently responsible for electromagnetic and gravitational forces. The paper was introduced by an article, New Physics Study Finds The Real “God” Particle. It was recently published July 11, 2018 by Arjun Walia, and may be read on the link:

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/07/11/new-physics-study-finds-the-real-god-particle/

Arjun wrote his article based upon a scientific study, which may be read in its entirety below. It was written by Mr. Paramahamsa Tewari and published online March 13, 2018 by Physics Essays 31, 1 (2018).

https://www.tewari.org/uploads/3/9/2/2/39220475/16tewari.pdf

The scientific study is suited for physics majors with a mathematical background in differential equations and calculus. Arjun introduced the paper with the following brief thoughts:

The Facts: A study published in Physics Essays shows how matter is created out of the non-material. There is energy in what we call "empty" space and it can also be used to generate energy. The acknowledgement of the non-material is a big step for science.

Reflect On: Why has non-material science been shunned by the mainstream community when it has such strong validity? These concepts are now moving out of the theoretical realm, and being confirmed. It opens up metaphysical and spiritual realities as valid.

I take exception to the last sentence by Arjun that, “It opens up metaphysical and spiritual realities as valid.” Yes, the paper utilizes quantum physic findings that transcends previous beliefs in the evolution of our universe but does not verify a spiritual reality as valid. Mainstream communities and religious institutions shun the scientific progress that matter evolves out of the non-material. They believe in a spiritual reality due to beliefs instilled by religious indoctrination in the belief in spirits or God. The scientific paper presumes no spiritual reality but findings that the universe began without any intelligence but the very small entity physicists call an electron.

Dr. Ahreeman, I bring this paper to the attention of our IPC readers for discussion of its findings. My previous articles, cited above, dealt with the philosophical ideas that everything has a beginning and, in some way, there is a consciousness that is directing the development of the universe to evolve life forms capable of thought. The paper intrigued me for its new findings are compatible with my hypothetical idea that everything has a beginning – even our universe.

At this point, not to be overbearing with the academic findings of the scientific paper, I would like to present a few findings that gives credence to the fact that non-material forces might actually govern the universe and that factors associated with consciousness may be a key role in the creation of matter. Arjun presented some of the scholarly thoughts of Nikola Tesla, one of our greatest minds, they are:

“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade that in all the previous centuries of its existence.” – Nikola Tesla

“All perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life-giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never-ending cycles all things and phenomena.”– Nikola Tesla, Man’s Greatest Achievement, 1907

Arjun wrote that, “For years, science has assumed that empty space is just that, empty space, but this isn’t true, and as John Wheeler, one of the world’s pioneering quantum physicists once emphasized, “No point is more central than this, that space is not empty, it is the seat of the most violent physics.” Fast forward to today and we now know that energy can be extracted from this “empty” space, that we can tap into this ether.”

It is to be noted that Max Planck, theoretical physicist who originated quantum theory and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918, wrote, “I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulating consciousness.”

Above, I indicated that a spiritual reality does not exist at the quantum level. What is reasonable, is that empty space has electrons that can develop atoms, which become the building blocks for all inorganic and organic matter. To believe a consciousness is capable of directing the development of electrons into complex atoms that assumes an intelligence, which, over billions of years, evolves the birth of millions of stars is an illogical assumption. Over billions of years, no intelligence (consciousness) can “see” into the future with an objective to create conscious thought in living life forms.

It would appear reasonable to deduce that the evolution of consciousness in our universe occurred in baby steps. Complex thought, now capable in scientific minds and displayed in the Physics Essays 31 paper referenced above, could not exist at the fundamental level of an electron. Yes, consciousness exists at many levels, but for intelligence to be capable of constructing thoughts for further action is only found in organic matter. That is, plants and highly evolved life forms, such as bees, birds, sea life, animals, and human beings. These living life forms possess various levels of consciousness.

At this juncture, I would like to present some of the findings by Paramahamsa Tewari who died soon after acceptance of his paper by Physics Essays 31 in 2018. At the age of 80, Tewari passed away on November 27, 2017 in his hometown region close to Varanasi, India. An Engineering graduate from Benares Hindu University, he had a career over four decades with NPCIL (Nuclear Power Corporation of India) where he retired as Executive Director. Tewari was an physicist and inventor who won early commendation by Nobel Laureates in physics for his revolutionary Space Vortex Theory. On a personal note, he was committed to the broad upliftment of society, particularly the underprivileged, and meaningful employment for talent. Animal cruelty prevention was a cause dear to his beliefs. With people, he was personable and interested in their individuality.

To begin Tewari’s scientific contribution in quantum physics with his discovery of the electron as the fundamental mass that evolved the universe, we need to comprehend his use of a vacuum-vortex.

vacuum-vortex. Is the structure of the electron where vacuum is emptiness and vortex refers to a whirling or circular motion that tends to form a cavity or vacuum in its center. Generation of electrostatic, electromagnetic, and gravitational fields are shown to arise from the vacuum-vortex structure of the electron.

Mr. Tewari postulates, “that the universal substratum of space with nonmaterial properties has real existence— and is provided by deriving the basic properties of the electron (mass, charge, gravity, etc.) from the vacuum space vortex structure of the electron, and by explaining its behavior in physical as well as quantitative terms, as experimentally observed.

Note that nonmaterial signifies a mass-less, density-less, incompressible, nonviscous and continuous fluid and vacuum space the absolute vacuum with nonmaterial properties without matter and fields and is termed as “vacuum space” or “vacuum,” or “space.”

Mr. Tewari provides three postulates that supports his theory.

1. The medium of vacuum space, throughout the universe, is an eternally existing, nonmaterial, incompressible, continuous, isotropic fluid substratum.

2. The medium of vacuum space has a limiting flow velocity equal to the speed of light relative to the absolute vacuum.

3. The medium of universal vacuum space is eternal and inherent with motion.

Evolution of the Electron.

Without going into the equations and graphical figures presented by P Tewari, he shows that the creation of an electron requires a breakdown of the flow of the fluid medium of vacuum space (also referred to as space), which creates a spherical void. The space-vortex structure with a fixed volume of a dynamically stable void at its center is defined as the fundamental particle of matter. The properties of “electric charge” and “mass” of the fundamental particle, and the “energy fields” associated with its structure are derived in his paper.

It would not be productive for me to try to present Mr. Yewari’s theory that reveals the process of the creation of a stable electron and its known properties of mass and charge. Such a task needs to be completed by a highly scientific and disciplined mind to present his theory in a simple and readable format that simplifies use of differential equations and calculus. My purpose is to give the reader some idea why the electron is the first particle to initiate the formation of complex atoms and later, after many billions of years, begin the evolution of the universe.

In the Ahreeman-Ginex debate of February 26, 2015, I was able to introduce IPC readers to an Internet blog titled, The Material Universe is Made of Waves by Gabriel LaFreniere. It was developed iteratively from October 4th, 1942 through April 11, 2012. His blog presentations offered a whole new approach that spherical waves exhibit all of the electron's properties and is actually an electron. LaFreniere’s blog preceded the paper by P Tewari and provides another way of understanding, in an easy and readable manner, how the electron is the fundamental particle of the universe. It may be accessed via the link,

http://www.rhythmodynamics.com/Gabriel_LaFreniere/matter.htm

What was admirable about Gabriel’s blog was his ability to lead the reader with words that explained many of his equations used to verify his hypothetical theory. He created a total of 34 blogs, which includes the electron, proton, the Big Bang as being incorrect, and the Theory of Evolution. His last topic was a conclusion, which I am compelled to provide below in order to illustrate his ability to explain that everything has a beginning, even the universe. Enjoy his writing style below. It is a testament that a great mind can impart knowledge in simple terms no matter how complex.

34. Conclusion by Gabriel LaFreniere

Our world is solely made out of electrons.

We must admit to the obvious:

Matter Is Made of Waves

This site is exhaustive enough so far and it is updated regularly. Because I have been putting up with general indifference for more than six years, I must pursue research alone. It would be much easier as a team, with specialists in waves, magnetic fields, nuclear physics, etc. It would also be good to verify mechanical effects on standing waves through laboratory experiments.

The quark subject being under study, I will certainly, one day, succeed in writing a passably good description of protons and neutrons. I might be on the verge of making a surprising discovery that would have eluded scientists. But for now, it seems that all the properties of matter have already been discovered and recorded.
These ideas originated years ago.

For the most part, the ideas contained in these pages have existed well before the year 2000. It is mainly because of supposed photons that it took so long to bear fruit. The efforts needed to escape such a swamp are unimaginable. Those photons were incompatible with the theory, which was named the Theory of Absolute to counter the theory of Relativity. In a certain measure, it is Lorentz's unfinished and unwritten theory. These ideas are of course protected by copyright :

La théorie de l'Absolu, © Luc Lafrenière, may 2000
La matière est faite d'ondes, © Gabriel Lafrenière, june 2002.

In conclusion.

It is obviously a major discovery. We could have feared a resulting Apocalypse, for example some kind of "gravity bomb". But not at all. Fire will still burn the same way it always has.

Anyone knowledgeable in standing waves could rapidly reach the same conclusions. The wave forming the electron turned out to be surprisingly simple. Starting from there, everything falls into place. Everything can be explained. There are never any anomalies. Never any exceptions. Complex equations are not necessary, and Euclid's geometry is sufficient. We are very far from the decidedly weird ideas of General Relativity.

It is possible that I am mistaken. On your part, if your intelligence allows you to doubt all this, it also demands you verify it. I would challenge you to firstly examine my Time Scanner, which is certainly the best tool in order to understand well the Doppler effect, then the Lorentz transformations, and finally, Relativity. If you still do not admit that this device is fantastic, forget about all the rest.

You cannot rightfully reject this hypothesis without having first studied it. You cannot rightfully pontificate on the unknown from the height of your university studies or overly vast experience.

Let me remind you that most phenomena mentioned here are as yet unexplained. So you should look for plausible hypotheses, and in my judgment this one is especially interesting because it is simple.

Imagine: just electrons!


The End

I was unable to attain a biography of Gabriel LaFreniere. However, an Internet search was found that documents correspondence between him and Geoff Haselhurst. To learn about these two outstanding minds, the following link may still be on the Internet. It provides their discourse about matter originating from standing waves:

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-LaFreniere-Wave-Diagrams.htm

Geoff Haselhurst believes that the electron is just a spherical standing wave in space. That we “are all very complexly evolved vibrating space - interconnected with all other matter in the universe.” He is a philosopher dedicated to know the truth about things. Born in Perth, Western Australia on November 10, 1959, he obtained a degree in Education at the Nedlands College of Advanced Education. He later taught math, became an inventor, developed an electronic manufacturing company and sold it in 1991 to devote his time to philosophical thought to investigate the truth of reality. His biography is presented on:

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Haselhurst-Biography.htm

The three outstanding contributors, Paramahamsa Tewari, Gabriel LaFreniere, and Geoff Haselhurst are to be recognized as having revealed the role of the electron in evolving the elements that make up matter. Unfortunately, I was only able to provide a photo of Mr. Tewari and Mr. Haselhurst, which is presented below.

---------Please ADD Photo of Gabriel LaFreniere and Geoff Haselhurst-----------

Dr. Ahreeman, I conclude this discourse with some philosophical thoughts that may give food for further discussion. It is hoped that many IPC members join this intriguing debate about consciousness and the beginning of our universe. The mathematical proofs by the physicists are challenging but we can continue the debate solely based upon logical thought.

Did the Electron Evolve Consciousness?

It is logical to hypothesize that the electron gave rise to consciousness because consciousness does not exist without matter. An obvious example is that the mind, which creates conscious thought in a human being is dependent upon the brain. The mind functions because the brain, matter, consists of many cells that has the ability to store all incoming data derived from the five senses including mental images that are retrieved to compose thought. Therefore, it is matter, however minuscule, such as the electron, that allows for the creation of thought.

In the beginning, consciousness evolved as the electron found ways to combine into more complex forms. The electron inherently possesses consciousness, albeit, at a very low level like the initial formation of thought in a baby. It had no idea what it wanted to build in the future. But the electron was able to evolve the atom and provide the flexibility of forming more complex atoms into different molecules, which exist as inorganic and organic matter throughout the universe.

Can we say that consciousness, in the beginning was very advanced within an electron? Was the electron smart enough to conceive that someday, after billions of years, it will evolve organic life that can think with fluid thoughts and reach back out to understand the universe like human beings can? The logical answer to this question is no.

It is not possible for the electron to have had the objective to create the universe by creating billions of stars capable of sustaining life. It was through trial and error, after many billions of years, that on Earth, Mother Nature developed both inorganic and organic matter and finally created intelligent life from single cell organisms. The consciousness mankind possesses today is due to the many thousands of years of previous generations that contributed to the knowledge we have inherited by the written word. The history of man reveals that it was through his own consciousness and the experiences of life that such qualities as truth, integrity and love evolved. These qualities may become the saving grace for continued success for human beings to exist in the many billions of years yet to come.

Regarding the Qualities of Truth, Integrity and Love

Along with the greatest advances in science, our educators, at every level of instruction, including our universities, must teach the qualities of truth, honesty, and sincerity for they are the basis for integrity and the gift of genuine love we can provide for one another. Presently, our educational system has failed for we have educated journalists and writers that willingly produce fake news to confuse people about the facts needed to make logical decisions. It may be asserted that integrity and truth are ignored, no longer emphasized in our institutions of higher learning. Such qualities that improve the nature of mankind should not be solely the responsibility of religious organizations. History reveals that religious wars, and the reality of Islamic terrorism, verifies that religious followers can easily be indoctrinated with bigotry, hatred, violence, and the killing of innocent people with different beliefs. This sad reality shows many religions have failed to infuse our young minds with the qualities of love, truth and integrity.

Consciousness, the Universe and God

Back to my philosophical conclusion, consciousness is inherent in electrons. In the sea of space, electrons coalesced to form atoms that through billions of years, created a universe with billions of stars. Our star, the sun, graciously provided the warmth that led to the evolution of mankind. Beginning at a simplistic level in the electron, consciousness evolved to its highest levels in human beings. As they faced the challenges of surviving on earth, humans created God in order to live harmoniously among themselves and with neighboring communities. Religious organizations then evolved to instill truth, love and commandments that help mankind to successfully attain wholesome lives in an ordered environment. Many religions were successful by inculcating the promise of eternal life after death with their envisioned conception of God.

Many people no longer believe, or even want to have an extended life in eternity with a God that was conceived by man. From a realistic view, what would they do with their time over millions of years? Would they exist as spirits or as physical beings that can do something constructive? In the next stage of moral and intellectual development, mankind needs to accept science and understand that they must be taught the qualities of truth, integrity, love for one another, and to respect all life both on earth and our universe. God, a created concept, does not need to be loved; and for those who insist on a God, He would rather have His creations love one another then Him.

Mankind needs to think whether there is a purpose in the universe and how to use the precious gift of life. As science reveals our ignorance, mankind can no longer regard an external God to direct his or her life. It is only through knowledge of our universe and instilling the qualities of truth and love that mankind will live wonderful lives and better understand how to be gracious inhabitants of the universe.

The evolution of mankind’s belief in God, the reverence for truth, and ability to love one another, is presented in Future of God Amen. This book is available on IPC via the link below.

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/amen/index.htm

I would be remiss to not refer those who are interested in learning more about a unique history of man's beliefs in a God that we announce every day; His name is Amen. The following link provides a Home Page that presents overviews and book reviews of this one-universal God. On the Home Page, the book is accessed via the icon AMEN.

http://www.futureofgodamen.com

Dr X, great minds think alike!! There is much thought in our debate that the average person is never exposed to. It would be worthwhile to publish our philosophical debate on-line to present the new-scientific ideas we briefly touched upon. Perhaps our debate should be presented in a book. It would be an awesome task and if you feel it would be worthwhile, we may be able to jointly published it as an IPC book.

I look forward to your thoughts about consciousness and the electron being the fundamental particle that verifies my philosophical conclusion that, Everything Has a Beginning – Even the Universe.

Nicholas. A philosophical Brother who is honoured to be your friend.

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Ahreeman X » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:01 am

Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence Debate
Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects


Ongoing Online Philosophical and Scientific Debate
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Ahreeman the Rogue One

Brother Nicholas: :hatsoff:

It has been a long time and now we will get into it again. Also, I am hoping that soon I will publish a piece related to this issue (if time allows); however, for now, this would do. I am posting this post here because it has direct relation with the topic.

With all due respect and you do comprehend that I have a lot of that for you, allow me to state a few observations about you and the subjects of your interest.

You get obsessed with certain issues and then you go compulsive about them. Next, you become overzealous about the issue and you get hooked on it. Some people tell me that I am obsessive compulsive but you give a new definition to the term! My obsessive compulsiveness is due to being a perfectionist, a germophobe and a neat freak but you just get fixated on an issue.

While you get fixated on an issue, you keep on writing articles about it. The first one, maybe the second one is interesting but then you keep on repeating yourself and you go fanatical about it. You simply will not let go!

Then you insist that they get published in IPC Website. Of course, I have clarified this issue for you and all, many times before, but once more for all’s sake, I will clarify it:

Write for IPC
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/write-for-IPC/index.htm

So, You Want to be an Author?
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/features/author/index.htm

I encourage everyone to write articles and post them in the IPC Club Forum:

IPC Club Forum
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/

This way, readers will read them, get informed and if they want, they respond to it. IPC Club Forum is an open forum for all to post. Everyone has the right to free speech and to post in IPC Club Forum. We encourage all to post their articles and posts in the IPC Club Forum.

If any of these articles are of use to us and our goals, then we will publish them in the IPC Website:

IPC Website
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/

This is how we do it. This is how we operate.

In your case, we have published many of your articles and books in IPC Website, simply because you are a talented author, free thinker and scholar.

We will not publish every book or article which you release. We will only publish what we want to publish. Of course, this does not register with you; therefore, you bombard me and Cat with e-mails insisting for everything that you write to be published! You keep on revising the articles, repeating the e-mails and insisting on every single one! You even get mad and dictate if you will not get your way!

To respond to your mass of e-mails, allow me to clarify these facts.

If you want my opinion, then I will give it to you right here so not only you but everyone to get informed about the issue.

This is not about not publishing your articles because they were 10 pages and now that you reduced them to 5 pages, they will be OK. I do not care about the length of the articles and books. I have designed, formatted, edited and published lengthy books and articles from you before; therefore, the length is not the issue.

The issue is the content of what you get obsessed with! For instance:

First, you wanted to “Reform Islam” and you repeatedly released articles such as:

Revise the Quran to Stop a World Crisis
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1990

You even dragged our friend Ali Sina to this and had a trade of e-mails with him which possibly in the future we will publish that as an online debate here.

You got so into the concept of Reforming Islam that you even suggested for Muslims to use Bahaism as a role model to reform Islam! Now that was truly way out there! Of course, I explained to you that Muslims would rather kill the Reformer than to Reform Islam, and they rather die than to Reform Islam by role modeling Bahaism!

Then I responded to you:

Baha’i versus Islam on Revision of Quran
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

After your obsessive compulsion with Reforming Islam, you went overzealous with “Exposing Islam”:

Expose Quran with Worldwide Communication
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/expos ... /index.htm

As usual you repeatedly posted material in this new manner!

You keep repeating yourself and getting overzealous about an issue which in many situations you are not a veteran expert in them but once you are informed about the flaw of your new interest topic and your cause, then you become 180 Degree on the opposite side and then you become advocate for the total opposite! From Reforming to Exposing Islam!

Now your next obsession was an interesting issue!

Everything has a Beginning – Even the Universe
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

The Electron Began the Universe
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

The Electron Began the Universe Thread
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2042

You got obsessed with this issue because of our past debates on this issue which is posted right here under this debate topic.

Now this part is very important so please focus:

I said, in a general sense (Macro Aspect), Multiverse has no beginning or end because of the “Conservation Law of Matters and Energies”.

But of course, is a specific sense (Micro Aspect), every thing including our solar system,
Milky Way Galaxy, Our Universe and the Multiverse does have a beginning point (in their present form).

Important Fact of Science

Due to complicated transitions, interactions and events, entities get to have a beginning and an end but this does not mean that they were created and/or destroyed. Every entity and element have always existed and will always exist but they only change forms.

Change of Forms is not the same as Creation or Destruction.

Possible Example:

Todays Earth will become tomorrows 3 meteorite rocks due to a crash by a comet!

Micro Aspect: Earth is technically destroyed and meteorites were technically created.

Macro Aspect: In Reality and General Sense, nothing was created and nothing was destroyed because Earth had transformed to 3 meteorites. No matter or energy destroyed or created but they changed forms and amounts from one form to another but the total amount remains the same.

The Irony of Your Illogical and Unscientific Flawed Thought Pattern

As a scientist, you surely make some unscientific statements such as:

It is so ironic that you do not believe in the “Law of Physics” (not theory) which clearly states:

“Matters and Energies has never been and will never be created or destroyed but they only change from one form to another.”
(Conservation Law of Matters and Energies)

But you believe in your new cause to fight which is pure “theory”:

Disclose UFO Technology for Humanity
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2065

Military Industrial Complex Withholds Zero-Point Energy
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2068

You even drag the President of United States in to it!
(I bet with you Trump is right now reading this and cracking up because he reads a lot of my material!)

Quantum Mechanics is a theory
Quantum Physics is a theory
Zero Point Energy is a theory
Space Travel via harvesting Zero Point Energy is a theory
Aliens having the scientific knowledge to harvest Zero Point energy is a theory


Yet you believe in them!

I am not denying the possibilities but then again everything is possible!

Actually, I believe in Zero Point Energy but I do not believe that with our present science, we can harvest it as fuel to use for space travel. I am also keen on Quantum Physics but you must be very careful with the “Laws of Physics” and “theories of Physics”.

Then you write about the far-fetched matters and episodes of some pseudoscientist, author, defense minister or celebrity who can telepathically communicate with an Alien and print the dialogue as an essay!

There is a very thin line between scientific possibility and fantasy!

Alien Factor and Ancient Alien Scientific Theory

I am talking about the scientific “theory” (not fact) that logically Aliens exist because it is simply ignorant to believe that we are alone in the Multiverse!

Earth is one planet in the Solar System
Our Solar System is one solar system in the Milky Way Galaxy
Our Milky Way Galaxy is one galaxy in our universe
Our Universe is one universe in the Multiverse

Our Earth is microscopic in comparison to the Multiverse. How arrogant and ignorant to believe that we are alone! This defies the mathematics, physics, astronomy, logic and evidence. That is why I believe that Aliens exist and furthermore we are the genetic engineered results of their biological experimentation on Earth with their DNA and Apes’ DNA.

Alien Factor
The Philosophical and the Scientific Theory - Part One: Macro-analysis

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Alien Factor
The Philosophical and the Scientific Theory - Part Two: Micro-analysis

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Theory of Everything
Part One: The Basic Concepts

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

Theory of Everything
Part Two: Parallel Universes

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm

These are scientific theories based on scientific evidence, logic and mathematical possibilities.

Alien Existence Climate Change Fantasy

Environmentalist Wackos, Global Whiners (Global Warmers) and Climate Change Conspirators who created this liberal religion (Climate Change) for financial gains like Al Gore and Clintons, also scientifically challenged imbecils such as Alexandra Ocasio Cortez (AOC) and other liberal buffoons who parrot what she says, are role models for Alien conspiracy Theorists who believe and advocate the existence of aliens to promote clean energy, environmental issues and green movement. Zero Point energy is a part of it. These people have an agenda.

According to Al Gore’s predictions, Earth had to be destroyed 10 years ago! According to AOC, Earth will be destroyed in 12 years! These people sound like Religious Doom and Gloom “The End is Near” Coco Nuts! There is nothing scientific about “Climate Change Catastrophe” that liberals preach, yet the brain-dead millennials due to their studies at the Socialist Professors’ classes believe in it!

The Doom and Gloom Scenario that liberals preach is a fantasy for likes of Al Gore and So-called Scientists to make big bucks!

So, as you see, there is a big difference on why I believe in Alien Factor and why joe and Shmoe or Hassan and Hussein believe in Green energy creator aliens!

These environmentalist wackos are now escaping from wind and solar to zero-point energy!

There is a very thin line between wacked jobs and alien theorists!

History of Nicholasian Scientific Flip Flops

So, the point is that primarily you fought me tooth a nail about the Alien Factor, then you became an Alien Factor Advocate and next, you went beyond the theory into conspiracy! You simply went overboard! As usual 180 Degree Switch!

Once you cross the line between “scientific theory” into “Out There Fantasy”, then you become an overzealous obsessive-compulsive fanatic!

No Nicholas, I still say that as a Scientist, you cannot pick and choose your Scientific Facts! Facts are facts. You cannot deny a law of physics and then believe in far fetched theory fabricated by Environmentalist Wackos!

You do understand that you are not Santa Clause, right?
You may act as him during Christmas but you really are not him!
Come back to Earth Nicholas, let go of the Aliens!

Next thing you know, you will start communicating with the Greens and get into the Green Movement! Instead of Zero Point Energy Fantasy, focus on Fossil Fuel, Oil, Gas and Coal which Trump is exploring and he made us the greatest harvester and exporter of energy in the world.

Let go of Wackos on YouTube and Funny Pages. Stop trading e-mails with Ex Canadian Ministers and US Generals on Weed! Let go of Al Gore’s leg and focus on Reality.

You get so fixated on issues to the point of being overzealous and fanatical about them.

You also love to mix and match, pick and peekaboo your scientific facts and theories.

No Nicholas, nothing has ever been created or destroyed.
No Nicholas, Abdullah did not communicate with a Green!
No Nicholas, Zero Point Energy can only be achieved via eating too much dates, bananas and walnuts together which boosts sexual power (now don’t you go and try it and if you do, patent it under my name, Persian Style)!

And no Nicholas, you may play Santa Claus on Christmas but you really are not him!

You are a scientist, so act like one or at least try to!

Who loves you baby?
Ahreeman indeed!
Who else?

Amen!

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Nicholas Ginex » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:17 pm

Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence
by Nicholas Ginex >> Tues Mar 5, 2019

Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence Debate

Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects

Ongoing Online Philosophical and Scientific Debate
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Dear Dr. Ahreeman,
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Thank you for your analysis of my temperament being “overzealous about an issue and then get hooked on it.” Yes, I must admit that on certain issues I get compulsive; especially when I find that an individual, organization, or the media/political establishment lies and resorts to fake news. As you know, the military-industrial complex has used the national media for over 70 years to convince the American people that UFOs and extraterrestrials are not real.

I do not like being lied to and in short, being made a fool. Hence, I fight back with objectivity and facts to surface the truth. In a way, I am very much like you who also has an obsessive-compulsive drive to preserve your Persian culture, history, and endearing ways unique to Persians.

Regarding my most recent topics that deal with UFOs and extraterrestrials, I keep learning more about the findings of men and women who have dedicated their lives to the truth about visitors from outer space. Only yesterday, I came across a book by Fred Stecking and his son Glenn titled, We Discovered Alien Bases on the Moon. I was astounded to learn that these two were astronomy enthusiasts that made significant sightings on the moon.

Would you believe that in November 1970, with a 12.5-inch reflector, they sighted 3 cigar-shaped objects on the base of a crater Archimedes, which is approximately 50 miles in diameter. According to their survey, the cigar-shaped structures were least 32 miles long and about 2.8 miles wide. Wow!!

They concluded that whoever they are still living there on the moon, or using it as a base. The economic aspects of the construction of such a colossal vehicle must have been solved long ago. Our largest ships are insignificant compared to the UFOs that were seen on the moon.

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No nation on earth could build such a vehicle, not only because of financial inability, but because of the lack of the required materials and labor. There would not be enough funds to construct even one giant carrier ship found to be 18 miles long and 2.5 miles wide. Astonishing!!

You may view a photo of a huge cigar shaped object clearly shown following a definite path in an orbit along the edge of Saturn’s ring. Click on the link below then scroll down (1 inch) to the image for the Cigar shaped- Cylindrical Craft.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread437208/pg1

Photo attributed to AS16-120-19238. Picture taken by Apollo 16.

Now, even though I recently read Fred Stecking’s book and learned of other discoveries he sighted on the moon, I will refrain to write additional articles about UFOs and ETs for IPC. I believe that the four articles I wrote for IPC about UFOs and extraterrestrials is adequate to educate and motivate people around the world of intelligent beings from outer space. What I would like for people to understand is that they have been deceived and lied to whereby they have been deprived of the most significant development of this era – zero-point energy.

Amen.

Below are the four articles on UFOs and ETs written by the author.

Understanding the Extraterrestrial Mind - Nov 6, 2018
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/features/extraterrestrial-mind/index.htm

Reveal Extraterrestrial Culture, History, and Beliefs - Dec 28, 2018
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/features/extraterrestrial-culture/index.htm

Disclose UFO Technology for Humanity - Jan 10, 2019
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2065

Military Industrial Complex Withholds Zero-Point Energy - Mar 3, 2019
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2068


Back to the March 4th, 2019 Ongoing Online Philosophical and Scientific Debate.

I liked your clarification of the articles I wrote, such as Revise the Quran to Stop a World Crisis (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1990). I wrote about a solution that we both know is untenable. But I wanted to make it clear that it was the Qur’an that is indeed the source of the terrorism problem and unless it is revised, terrorism and World War III will be the eventual outcome. I believe that was a realistic point of view that the world needed to know. I’m sure you agree that although my solution of revising the Qur’an is untenable, to understand the consequences was an important matter.

The next article you appeared displeased with was, Expose Quran with Worldwide Communication. Yes, you are correct in that Muslims and their leadership are so indoctrinated that revision of the Qur’an becomes an impossibility. That was why I wrote that people around the world need to get smart and expose the Qur’an for it abominable verses that incites hatred, bigotry, violence and the killing of people who have other beliefs.

By embarrassing the Muslim leadership with truth about what’s in the Qur’an, I thought it would be a good idea to educate people and Muslims to learn that only fools would believe in a religion that extolls hate and murder of our sisters and brothers.

Dr. Ahreeman, you reflected on my next obsession, Everything has a Beginning – Even the Universe. Now, we are in the realm of philosophy.

I like your view that, “Due to complicated transitions, interactions and events, entities get to have a beginning and an end but this does not mean that they were created and/or destroyed. Every entity and element have always existed and will always exist but they only change forms.”

That is, in a nutshell, “Change of Forms is not the same as Creation or Destruction”.

This view has merit. But the universe is expanding, which means that energy exists throughout space and is why billions of galaxies with their billions of stars exist. One can conceive that it all began with one galaxy or in parallel, many galaxies formed in the sea of energy – space. That is why I am so interested in quantum physics. For I believe it was the electron that initiated the first atom, then elements, then compound molecules which coalesced into stars, planets and galaxies.

When a quasar, pulsar, or black hole explodes, emits gases, radiation, and matter back out into space, there is the eventual opportunity of cloud formation which gives birth to new stars and even another galaxy. But it is noted that all of the energy and matter is expelled into space. This does not mean that space, itself, does not have energy from which an electron is formed (created) which can then go on to create different atoms, which form (create) elements and matter that then make up the universe. Please note that the electron is the master particle that is part of every atom and element. This is verified by The Periodic Table of Elements.

How does it happen that an electron is formed out of energy existing in space? Is it some kind of consciousness? Today, we have recently learned that space contains energy. Aliens use zero-point energy to propel their spaceships. Therefore, in infinite space there is energy, which forms infinite galaxies. That is why I believe matter was never always in space. Matter formed from energy existing in space. At least, that is my philosophical conclusion.

Now I will discuss the Alien Factor and Ancient Alien Scientific Theory. We both believe that Aliens exist. However, I find it hard to believe that we are the genetic engineered results of their biological experimentation on Earth with their DNA and Apes’ DNA.

We both know that the DNA of humans is closely linked to the DNA of not only apes, but all living animals, birds and fish. Even flowers and trees have a set of DNAs that is linked to humans. Are you saying that the aliens engineered humans? If so, did they also engineer all the other living entities on earth with DNA? I am a very humble man and believe that the dog, cat and monkey has complete sets of DNA as humans but we are more evolved. To dismiss the development of humans from apes, the animal kingdom, is to be arrogant that we are special and different. Yes, humans are evolving and perhaps in another 1,000 years, may be able to develop telepathic capabilities.

Our next topic of discussion, Alien Existence Climate Change Fantasy.

Dr. Ahreeman, you indicated that “Environmentalist Wackos, Global Whiners (Global Warmers) and Climate Change Conspirators who created this liberal religion (Climate Change) . . . . believe and advocate the existence of aliens to promote clean energy, environmental issues and green movement. Zero Point energy is a part of it. These people have an agenda.” You also wrote, ”These environmentalist wackos are now escaping from wind and solar to zero-point energy!”

You must be kidding!! Wackos are not bright enough to even know zero-point energy exists and don’t know that it has already been developed by the U.S. military-industrial complex with the successful implementation of Interstellar Flying Objects (IFOs).

Actually, the Climate Change people you speak of have no clue about zero-point energy. They, like many politicians and fake news media, are not knowledgeable about the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrials. To say they have an agenda concerning zero-point energy is false.

The Democrats never once alluded to zero-point energy and are not educated enough to know they have been made fools of with their New Green Deal policies that provides the primary goal to transition the United States' economy to 100 percent renewable energy within 10-12 years and guaranteeing jobs for all. They want to redirect research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar and geothermal. They are too stupid to mention or advocate the benefits of zero-point energy.

Next topic, History of Nicholasian Scientific Flip Flops.

Dr. Ahreeman, you wrote, “So, the point is that primarily you fought me tooth a nail about the Alien Factor, then you became an Alien Factor Advocate and next, you went beyond the theory into conspiracy! You simply went overboard! As usual 180 Degree Switch!

Once you cross the line between “scientific theory” into “Out There Fantasy”, then you become an overzealous obsessive-compulsive fanatic!

No Nicholas, I still say that as a Scientist, you cannot pick and choose your Scientific Facts! Facts are facts. You cannot deny a law of physics and then believe in far-fetched theory fabricated by Environmentalist Wackos!”

Jeepers!! Dr. Ahreeman, you believe, as I, that aliens exist. I do not deal with “Out There Fantasy.” As you know, I am a seeker of truth. I do not like lies and certainly would not deceive anybody with lies. You cannot deny that extraterrestrials and IFOs exist. My facts are verifiable facts. We are finding out that there are scientific theories that once useful are not able to stand up against the new discoveries made by Nikola Tesla.

I bet many of our IPC readers would be surprised to learn what I have by reading Fred Steckling’s book. I was not only surprised, I was astounded that there are extraterrestrial IFOs over 18 miles long and 2.5 miles wide. Certainly, we have been kept ignorant of what’s out there on our moon with the excuse that people are too stupid to understand we are not alone in the universe.

One may ponder Mr. Steckling’s last two lines of his book:

“And as a scientist said, ’If we one day land on a planet somewhere, do not be surprised if someone comes to you and shakes your hand ”. The wealth of evidence suggests safely out that they have come long ago, to shake his hand.” (Excuse the English. His book came about from a German translation.)

I always smile when you bring up my Santa Claus days. Those were beautiful moments in my life; to look straight into the faces of my four daughters and marvel at their expressions of wonderment. Dr. Ahreeman, I am contented here on earth and sorry, I will not let go of the study of Aliens. We could learn so much from these intelligent beings and not to pursue acquiring their knowledge is a fool’s choice.

Isn’t it ignorance for our military to not learn about the culture, history and beliefs of captured extraterrestrials? Are our people so indoctrinated that they are afraid to learn about other beliefs? Have our religious leaders been involved with shutting down any knowledge of other beliefs originated by aliens? Can it be that our people and religious leaders cannot accept the challenge of learning other ideas that have stood the test of millions of years, which allowed an alien people to thrive and not blow themselves up?

Dr. Ahreeman, you also wrote, “Next thing you know, you will start communicating with the Greens and get into the Green Movement! Instead of Zero Point Energy Fantasy, focus on Fossil Fuel, Oil, Gas and Coal which Trump is exploring and he made us the greatest harvester and exporter of energy in the world.”

I know you were only trying to be funny because you know I am not that stupid to believe in the Green Movement. However, there is no doubt that I believe in zero-point energy as an answer to replace most, not all, of fossil fuels. I believe we may never want to get rid of gas and coal because can we live without using gas to cook a boiled egg in water or enjoy a steak over hot wood/coals?

Intelligent phasing in of zero-point energy will certainly eliminate pollution emissions from cars, trucks, planes, factories and homes. It will allow entrepreneurs to design the new ways to utilize energy that is cheap (from air) and usher our civilization into a new era of space travel.

But, unfortunately, first we have got to get our educational and religious institutions to tell the truth about the beginning of life on our planet and discover who we are in relation to intelligent life that exists in the universe. This, unfortunately, is a tall order for we humans. Like indoctrinated Muslims, we will find it hard to change our perspectives on life and accept other beings from outer space.

Dr. Ahreeman, you showed a disconcerting side of you by writing, “Let go of Wackos on YouTube and Funny Pages. Stop trading e-mails with Ex Canadian Ministers and US Generals on Weed! Let go of Al Gore’s leg and focus on Reality.”

First, it is an insult to even mention Al Gore’s leg and then accuse the Canadian Minister Paul Hellyer and the many military officers of being on weed. They have been honest and courageous to testify about the top-secret operations in hundreds of miles of underground tunnels to develop IFO technology, namely, zero-point energy.

Second, I need to refute your statement, “No Nicholas, nothing has ever been created or destroyed.” What you are saying is that matter always existed, only changes form. Does this mean the entire universe started with the same amount of energy and mass and only changes form? I sincerely believe “Everything Has a Beginning.” Matter did not exist in the beginning. Where did it come from? Space is the answer where there is infinite energy and to me, it was the electron that began the beginning of matter throughout the universe. AMEN.

Dr. Ahreeman, I am not a scientist. I am a philosopher who tries to explore the world with facts. Ideas are built upon facts and I congratulate the engineer Paramahamsa Tewari and the Persian author, poet, philosopher, and great Islamic historian and scholar, Anwar Shaikh.

Anwar wrote that consciousness is an inherent force in organic matter. Born in Gujrat, Punjab, India, Anwar lived between the years 1928 and 2006. His thoughts on consciousness and quantum physics compliments this author’s idea about the beginning of the universe, namely, “Everything has a beginning, even the cosmic universe”. But does consciousness have an ultimate goal in the creation of life-forms to serve a purpose? I would like IPC readers to visit the article I wrote for IPC titled, Everything has a Beginning, Even the Universe. It resides at:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/everything-beginning/index.htm

Dr. Ahreeman, you are a treasure in my life. For you bring out thoughts from my brain that I would never conceive on my own. Thank you.

And I am always cheered that you still love me like a baby. But I hope you enjoy a grown baby in a physical way. After all, enjoy the physical as well as the mental gifts you have been blessed with. To have one without the other is a great loss. Yea, I have been fortunate to have both. But, approaching my 84th birthday on August 27, I find I only have the luxury to think and philosophize. Still, I am happy because I have you.

AMEN

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Ahreeman X » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

Greetings Nicholas

You need to go over your links. If you cannot display a picture, then at least display the link so people can click on it and see the picture. Also make sure all the links work which none of them do! I think you mistakenly used BB code for image on a link and now the image doesn’t show! Just go over all your links and make sure they work.

So, you are talking about him:

Fred Steckling Talks About UFOs On the Moon
https://youtu.be/qFekqBaNfy0

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Fred Steckling

And you are talking about this:

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Have you ever listened to George Noori?

Coast to Coast YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVmlEo ... 5aPz8EvP0A

Coast to Coast
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/

Coast to coast George Noori
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/george-noory

George Noori - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Noory

George Noori has the most popular Talk Radio Show at Midnight. Some of his guests are interesting and some are out there. His listeners are the same. I bet with you he had various episodes on Fred Steckling and many shows on similar people like Fred Steckling.

George Noori show is for midnight ramblers interested on topics such as UFOs and Paranormal.

Do not believe everything you read and remain skeptic.

George Noori spent a lifetime of research on these issues.

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George Noori - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Noory

George Noori is also an Ancient Alien Theorist and along with Erich von Däniken and Giorgio A. Tsoukalos they are the top dogs on this field. Well, as you know Erich von Däniken started all of this by writing the Chariots of Gods. The others are his disciples.

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Erich von Däniken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken

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Giorgio A. Tsoukalos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_A._Tsoukalos

the point is that when you listen to the Coast to Coast and when you watch Ancient Aliens on History Chanel or YouTube, much of it makes sense but a lot of it is also Out There!

Regarding Matters and Energies, I do not say that but Law of Physics says that. But then again you are known for your pick and choosing your scientific laws.

When we say the amount does not change, you should look at it as an infinite amount, not a finite amount. We are talking about Multiverse and all the energies and matters in it. Maybe upon your perspective of a very limited area of our solar system, at one time matters did not form or it seems like universe is expanding but this is only according to a limited perspective of you and human beings. I am speaking of Multiverse and all the actions and reactions in it.

When it seems like at a time there is no matter here, but there is matters elsewhere. Even if at one time only energy existed and the matter formed, still on the macro level, the amount was the same. You do not believe in Spirits as an entity but Spirits, Matters and Energies, all the same, they transform from one form to another.

Look at it this way,

When energy gives consciousness to matter, it creates a spirit.

About Genetic engineering, no Aliens did not genetic engineered all animals like they done humans; however, originally, they had something to do with the first single cell amoebas or creature becoming alive!

About Alien Factor believers who go overboard, many of them are Environmentalist Wackos. They do have an agenda. You just did not study deep enough about them to discover their agenda.

About Energy,

Every action causes a reaction equal to it but n opposite direction. This can be the answer to your next source of energy and how to create or harvest it. Think about it.

Time Travel

I studied much on time and Time Travel. I researched a lot about it and travelled the world to the hot spots to study it. Check this out:

Time Travel is about Speed and Gravity.

- If you go faster than speed of light away from earth and back, you will age a few months but earth ages a few hundred years.

- If you go to the edge of a Black Hole (Gravity) and back to earth, same thing will happen.

You can Time Travel by speed and gravity.

The door to time travel to the future is wide open but despite your belief, the door to time travel to the past is also open but only by a crack. And when you travel to the past, not necessarily you will change history, actually you cannot affect he history. You are just a visitor, cannot even affect your younger self. Now this is all in case of travel to the same universe (parallel universes). This is all Quantum Physics speaking of course.

Your future energy source for space travel will most likely come from Action/Reaction, Wormholes, teleporting, leaping, warp speed, dematerializing, negative energy and dark matter than Zero Point Energy. Think about it.

It is much easier to Time Travel than to Far Space Travel. Chew on that if you can!

Now go fix your links and For God’s sake review what you post after posting it and fix it up.

I leave you with this:

“The Further and Greater your Dreams are, the Further and Greater your Efforts will become.”
(Ahreeman X)

It is always a pleasure philosophizing with you. I cherish these moments.

Amen!

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Nicholas Ginex » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:01 pm

Greetings Dr. Ahreeman,

I cleaned up my links and was able to find an http that provided a photo of Fred Stecking’s sighting of 3 cigar-shaped objects on the moon’s crater Archimedes. In addition, I added the 4 articles written about UFOs, ETs and zero-point energy.

Thank you for the links to learn about George Noory who has his coast-to-coast AM videos on paranormal phenomena, which includes UFOs and aliens.

I already follow your warning about not believing everything you read and to remain a skeptic. What I look for is evidence and apply logic. Where evidence does not exist, then I try to use logical thought that takes me into the realm of philosophy. However, here too, I try to base my logic on what evidence is available and knowledge that has not surfaced with given facts. For example, the Periodic Table of Elements verifies that the electron is always part of an atom. This observation has been overlooked by scientists whereby one may conclude that it is the electron that is the fundamental particle of all matter and, in fact, may be the mastermind of every formed atom that creates the elements identified in the Periodic Table.

Regarding Eric von Daniken, he has certainly provided food for thought that aliens have visited earth over many thousands of years. Another ancient alien enthusiast, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, has provided much speculation in his search for the existence of aliens. As you pointed out, much of their findings make sense but also, much consists of fabricated ideas that are possible but not backed up with facts.

You will note that I have great respect for those who have actually obtained factual evidence, such as Fred Stecking’ photos of actual space craft on the moon and observations that are highly plausible and written in his book, We Discovered Alien Bases on the Moon. Over the past 70 plus years, the military industrial complex has used the national media to convince Americans that UFOs and ETs are a hoax. Fortunately, the vast amount of information on the Internet has revealed the deceit and disinformation perpetrated by the U.S. military.

Today, we have a Space Force that is managed by the same military industrial complex that has kept secret their development of craft for interstellar travel, which I refer to as Interstellar Flying Objects (IFOs). More importantly, they continue to keep secret their development and implementation of zero-point energy.

The Space Force program recently authorized by President Trump, is still largely under the control of personnel that supervised and controlled all IFO development. This can be a threat to the stability and control of highly destructive weapons. So much so, that they may be arrogant enough to challenge ET capabilities. The reason this threat is possible is that they have not tried to educate the U.S. public about the culture, history, and beliefs of extraterrestrials. Their limited mentality is governed with an excuse that the public is not smart enough to learn about whole new belief systems. That is, the public is too stupid to overcome their religious bias and accept new information that challenges their beliefs.

Regarding Matters and Energies

The scientific principle that matter and energy are interchangeable is an accepted axiom of the Conservation of Energy, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, i.e. in an isolated system, the total energy before transformation is equal to the total energy after transformation (into matter and vice versa).

This principle is valid but what came first, energy or matter, or did both always exist together in space? Whether we consider our galaxy or billions of galaxies in our universe, both energy and matter exist together. This is fundamental because we see that pulsars, quasars and black holes contain matter but they can also explode dispersing radiation, gases, particles and energy back out into space causing great cloud formations. After billions of years, through the forces of gravity, within the clouds stars and planets form. This an easy example of how energy is transformed from particles at the subatomic levels, gases, and radiation, etc., to coalesce from an energy into matter.

However, let us inquire how did the interchangeable states between matter and energy begin? Did matter exist in the beginning or was it energy? It could not be matter because the question arises, if matter consists of atoms that consists of subatomic particles, where did the particles come from? Therefore, energy must have existed first before matter evolved.

But if energy existed before matter, it exists in space. Is it possible that space contains energy? This appears to be true for out of space the first fundamental particle is formed, the electron. It is my belief that Everything has a Beginning Even the Universe and I presented why this is a logical conclusion in the discussion presented in the Philosophy of Existence article below.

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1816&p=8857#p8857

The article gives credence to the fact that non-material forces, that is energy, might actually govern the universe and that factors associated with consciousness may be a key role in the creation of matter. It is apropos to present two phenomenal quotes by Nikola Tesla.

“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade that in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

“All perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life-giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never-ending cycles all things and phenomena.”

It was Paramahamsa Tewari, an Engineering graduate from Benares Hindu University, who has provided one of the greatest contributions to quantum physics with his discovery of the electron as the fundamental mass that evolved from space and, in parallel with other electrons through billions upon billions of years, created the universe. I will not repeat myself that it is the electron that exists with every atom that forms the elements we identify in the Periodic Table of Elements. But it becomes apparent that energy came before matter from the primary non-material substance of space.

To this day, although Mr. Tewari won early commendation by Nobel Laureates in physics and the Nobel Prize in Physics has been awarded 111 times, he has yet to receive this distinguished honor. The scientific communities have been remiss in not providing the Nobel Prize to Mr. Tewari in appreciation of his outstanding Space Vortex Theory, which reveals the birth of the electron. Perhaps, an even greater omission was overlooking a Physics Nobel Prize to Nikola Tesla.

Dr. Ahreeman, you indicated a belief in “Spirits as an entity but Spirits, Matters and Energies, all the same, they transform from one form to another.” The belief in Spirits as an entity appears to derive from teachings in the existence of God, which is a Spirit form created by man. To clarify your belief, you wrote, “When energy gives consciousness to matter, it creates a spirit.” This belief is purely hypothetical for at what point does energy give consciousness to matter? Is it at the fundamental particle level, such as the electron, or does the transformation occur at the atom or element level of matter?

Consciousness is due to thought that originates from a living entity, be it an amoeba, flower, tree, fish, bird, or animal life. It is inconceivable that a rock, a nonliving thing, is capable of thinking. It would appear that Spirits are formed in living matter and become more advanced in highly evolved entities like human beings and animals. However, it is more probable that the concept of a Spirit is man-made, just as the many different forms of gods that have been conjured in the minds of men.

About Genetic Engineering

Dr. Ahreeman, another belief that I cannot agree with is your statement, “About genetic engineering, no Aliens did not genetic engineered all animals like they done humans; however, originally, they had something to do with the first single cell amoebas or creature becoming alive!” I must admit, Dr. Ahreeman, I believe you purposefully wrote that to goad me into responding to the idea that aliens had something to do with engineering humans.

If indeed aliens engineered single-cell life like the amoeba, then they indirectly engineered all living entities. However, I definitely believe in evolution and that all life forms developed without the assistance of aliens.

I have given thought to this alien idea of modifying or engineering life forms. Consider, we already believe aliens have existed for millions of years and have evolved into highly intelligent beings. It is possible, that their drive for survival via the reproductive process (sex) has waned (diminished) because they have been successful in extending their longevity. Over many thousands of years, they may have lost the sexual desire of procreation. It may be this possibility that they may like to recapture the excitement and pleasure experienced during sex.

For such a possibility of gaining back their sexual appetite, it may be why there are reported abductions of humans. Aliens may be experimenting to improve their own physical attributes. Why? Just look around and one must admit that the human race has many beautiful and handsome specimens. To obtain the beauty of a human woman or man can be a strong incentive and if successful, they can once again enjoy the physical excitement of sexual contact. This idea may be somewhat egocentric on my part, but could be a reality why aliens are extracting DNA from humans. The possibility for cloning alien DNA with human DNA to derive a viable, beautiful and intelligent being can be a strong incentive.

About Energy

Dr. Ahreeman I agree with the scientific and logical finding that every Action causes a Reaction. To say it is an equal reaction may be partially correct for the reaction or transformation may produce several outcomes. In regard to Energy, I agree with Nikola Tesla and have written extensively that energy exists in space from which the fundamental particle, the electron emanates from. There was no Action in space but the birth of negative electrons. It is known that electrons may also be positive and neutral from which a miniature system of the atom becomes a reality. With all atoms, one or more electrons revolve around the nucleus, which contains the protons and neutrons. And behold, all inorganic and organic matter is made up of atoms. It may be concluded that the electron is the mastermind for it is always part of the atom. Again, I refer the reader to the Periodic Table of Elements.

Therefore, my conclusion about energy is that it exists in space, came before matter, and is able to transform into matter by evolving electrons. :jump: This capability of energy into matter becomes a reality through the space vortex theory as developed by Paramahamsa Tewari. For more about Mr. Tewari’s space vortex theory it is presented in the following link:

http://www.nicholasginex.com/tag/big-bang-versus-space-vortex-theory/

Time Travel

There is much to learn about time travel. Unlike physical objects, time is not easily expressed as a physical coordinate in space. Yet, it is fundamental in measuring how long an object takes to get from one point to another. Unfortunately, I do not know how time is related to the speed of light even though we are able to measure it.

To be able to go back in time appears to be a physical impossibility since it would mean that as light travels through space one would have to interject oneself somewhere along its path. To me, this is not possible for light leaves a trail and to say reality exists somewhere along its previous path is difficult for me to comprehend. Yet, there are scientists who believe one can go back in time and perhaps, they may be able to explain how it is possible.

However, I would never get too close to a black hole for every atom of my body would be torn apart. Even light is drawn into a black hole due to its tremendous strength of gravity.

You can Time Travel by Speed and Gravity.

Speed expresses momentum and gravity expresses a force. To use gravity as a force to travel through space is hard to conceive because it, like a black hole, only attracts mass not propel it. But yes, to arrive in another time zone depends upon the speed of an object. Concerning gravity, it is the ability to use technology that allows weightlessness or antigravity to become lighter than a feather.

With antigravity, it is possible to break through the gravity barrier and attain high rates of speed. From what I have been able to gather about propulsion, it is the ability to achieve weightlessness and use zero-point energy obtained from space that enables extraterrestrials to travel throughout space. Dr. Ahreeman, I cannot agree with your belief that, “Your future energy source for space travel will most likely come from Action/Reaction, Wormholes, teleporting, leaping, warp speed, dematerializing, negative energy and dark matter than Zero Point Energy.”

The military industrial complex has been very successful in keeping the knowledge and application of antigravity and zero-point energy from the American people. The U.S. military has already developed use of zero-point energy and antigravity with Interstellar Flying Objects (IFOs). They have been successful in suppressing knowledge of the existence of ETs and have made a great percentage of Americans believe in that UFOs and ETs are a hoax. However, the Truth about IFOs and ETs is becoming a reality whereby the people will no longer be made into fools.

The Dream to be Left With.

Dr. Ahreeman, I was pleased and energized after reading your thought below:

“The Further and Greater your Dreams are, the Further and Greater your Efforts will become.” (Ahreeman X)

It seems that when I thought I had everything I would like to inform and educate other people about I find that there is more for me to learn and pass on. The mind is a wonderful thing and those willing to use it will find great pleasure to construct thoughts they never thought possible. But it is through curiosity and desire to know about ourselves and the universe that allow us to enter into the next era of human development. Only through knowledge obtained by education and introspection are we able to relieve ourselves of biases, hatred and violence towards others. When that happens, we will be accepted by extraterrestrials. That will be a wonderful experience. Image how much more we will learn.

Until our next debate, AMEN.

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:23 pm

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Greetings Brother Ginex

How do you like the way that I use Star Wars Lingo and Titles to display the topics of each of our posts in regards to this debate, under the right column “Updates” on IPC Website’s homepage?

Still, I am more of a Trekki (Star Trek) because it is more thought provoking and many Star Trek concept inventions came true in real life inventions such as

Mobiles
Tablets
Bluetooth Headset
Phaser Ray Gun
Talking Computers
Flat Screen Monitors
Universal Translator
Communication Badges
3D Food Replicator
Warp Speed Ejection
So on …

Gene Roddenberry was a visionary far advanced from his time. He was like Carl Segan of Sci Fi.

Star Trek is logical, Scientific and Realistic Sci Fi; Star Wars is more like a childish Western but titles have some punch in to them!

Matters, Energies and Spirits

Allow me to emphasize on the:

Important Fact of Science

Due to complicated transitions, interactions and events, entities get to have a beginning and an end but this does not mean that they were created and/or destroyed. Every entity and element have always existed and will always exist but they only change forms.

Change of Forms is not the same as Creation or Destruction.

“Matters and Energies have never been and will never be created or destroyed but they only change from one form to another.”
(Conservation Law of Matters and Energies)

“let us inquire how did the interchangeable states between matter and energy begin? Did matter exist in the beginning or was it energy?”


It does not matter because they are all the same, just changing forms to one another.

What came first is a problem for you and this is due to the human nature which is always looking at the philosophical issues with a “Creationist Perspective” of who created what and which one came first.

Look at the issues with a “Scientific Lens”. Everything is related, everything is relative, and everything is interconnected. Mater, energy and spirit, all the same and connected.

Look at spirit as a biproduct of energy and matter, not as a mumbo jumbo paranormal entity such as God in Bible! Look at Spirit in the form of “thought”, pure thought.

“It is my belief that Everything has a Beginning Even the Universe”


Yes, but again, it does not mean that due to this beginning or end, the 3 elements of universe have ever been created or destroyed. Your particular “thing” was created or destroyed but its matters, energies and spirits just changed forms and the general amount of each in the macro aspect stayed the same.

Look at the Multiverse with a Macro Lens. Become above the Micro View of a particular creation or destruction of each element. Look at the big picture. In general, man tends to look at the elements and entities with a Micro View and Micro Perspective. Man cannot comprehend beyond this point and into the Macro Perspective. In your case, you tend to look at the issues with a scientific and Big Picture point of view and perception but still, you are a man and this holds you back to human’s limited mind and disability to grasp the Macro Perspective.

That is why I state:

No Creation
No Destruction
No Creator
No Destroyer
No God
No Devil


Man is not capable to grasp this! Man is always looking for a creator for a creation!

Specifically, Religious people and Theists cannot look beyond the double walls on both sides of their temples blocking them to see the Big Picture.

“Dr. Ahreeman, you indicated a belief in

‘Spirits as an entity but Spirits, Matters and Energies, all the same, they transform from one form to another.’


The belief in Spirits as an entity appears to derive from teachings in the existence of God, which is a Spirit form created by man.”


What have I told you above? Define Spirit as:

Every element which is not matter or energy. Ex: Thought, Soul, Psyche, Ghost
None of these elements are matters or energies but they cannot exist without matters and energies because they are bi products of matters and energies. There is nothing paranormal or supernatural about these elements. The only reason that some refer to these elements as paranormal is because:

Science has not explained them yet
Or
Science is just beginning to explain them
Or
Science has already explained them but the public is not aware


Philosophically, Definition of Spirits is nothing new. I did not come up with it. I first read about it decades ago when I was a spring chicken.

George Politzer: Elementary Principles of Philosophy
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/per ... osophy.pdf

Iran Online Persian Library
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/per ... /index.htm

Of course, you must read the English version.

Eventually I have read more and more about it and perfected my theory (my version).

“To clarify your belief, you wrote,

‘When energy gives consciousness to matter, it creates a spirit.’


This belief is purely hypothetical for at what point does energy give consciousness to matter? Is it at the fundamental particle level, such as the electron, or does the transformation occur at the atom or element level of matter?”


It is a scientific theory. It is not purely hypothetical. Do you call theory of relativity of Einstein “Purely Hypothetical”?

“at what point does energy give consciousness to matter?”


At the point of Singularity.

Singularity is when machines will become so intelligent that they become conscious.
Same way,
Living Creatures became so intelligent that they become conscious.
This point did not occur in a second. Million years of evolution caused it.
But there is a but, that there are always leaps, jumps, missing links which we have been searching for them for millenniums!
That missing link could be Aliens.

“Is it at the fundamental particle level, such as the electron, or does the transformation occur at the atom or element level of matter?”


I would go with element level because energy enforces matter to change to spirit. However, when totally different form of entity was created, then the fundamental particle level kicks in too! It becomes a combination of the two. It becomes a totally different entity, yet still similar and coherent with his other brothers, matter and energy. In a way, they are all the same and they all change form and together build the Multiverse.

“Consciousness is due to thought that originates from a living entity, be it an amoeba, flower, tree, fish, bird, or animal life. It is inconceivable that a rock, a nonliving thing, is capable of thinking. It would appear that Spirits are formed in living matter and become more advanced in highly evolved entities like human beings and animals. However, it is more probable that the concept of a Spirit is man-made, just as the many different forms of gods that have been conjured in the minds of men.”


Again, you are stereotyping the same old concept of Spirits borrowed from scripture. Look at the spirits as a scientific entity such as Thought. The element of Thought exists but it is not matter or energy.

Why it becomes complicated in humans?
Because human has a more complicated brain lobes and structure (matter), so human thought is more advanced.

There is no specific point that human has become so smart. It took millenniums from ape to primate to Neanderthal to homo-sapiens to homosexual!!!!

It was not by a snap of finger!

Genetic Engineering

“Dr. Ahreeman, another belief that I cannot agree with is your statement,

‘About genetic engineering, no Aliens did not genetic engineered all animals like they done humans; however, originally, they had something to do with the first single cell amoebas or creature becoming alive!’


I must admit, Dr. Ahreeman, I believe you purposefully wrote that to goad me into responding to the idea that aliens had something to do with engineering humans.”


Leaps, jumps and drastic changes in evolution at specific points in history of man are still unexplained and that is why, “Ancient Alien Theory” concludes that these leaps (Missing Links) are indeed Genetic Engineering via Aliens. It is a scientific theory, not law of science.

“If indeed aliens engineered single-cell life like the amoeba, then they indirectly engineered all living entities. However, I definitely believe in evolution and that all life forms developed without the assistance of aliens.”


All lifeforms created via chemical and physical interactions; however, Aliens could have a role in it (leaps).

Why is it so hard for man to see Genetic Engineering in it?
Already we are Genetic Engineer designer babies who are smarter, more beautiful and more athletic (Super Babies). It is hush hush, but the Wealthy is already experimenting with it, the same as cloning.

Nazis were doing it back in 1940s via Master Race. So, if it has been done before (Nazis) and it is being done now (Designer Babies) and it will be done in the future (DNA Manipulation by will of the parents), then why is it so hard to accept that Aliens done it? That is why you are here?

“Over many thousands of years, they may have lost the sexual desire of procreation.”


Possible, because when brain evolves, you pay more attention to inventing, philosophizing, creating, researching, experimenting and writing than having sex!

If you have nothing better to do, then you just breed from morning to night like rabbits! That is why majority of humanity have so much sex, because they do not have the brain to do anything else! Now aliens are much more advanced than humans, so their heads become gigantic and their genitals shrunk!

“For such a possibility of gaining back their sexual appetite, it may be why there are reported abductions of humans. Aliens may be experimenting to improve their own physical attributes. Why? Just look around and one must admit that the human race has many beautiful and handsome specimens. To obtain the beauty of a human woman or man can be a strong incentive and if successful, they can once again enjoy the physical excitement of sexual contact. This idea may be somewhat egocentric on my part, but could be a reality why aliens are extracting DNA from humans. The possibility for cloning alien DNA with human DNA to derive a viable, beautiful and intelligent being can be a strong incentive.”


Now wouldn’t that be a hoot if Aliens, while lab experimenting with genetics on primates, did not only use biology, chemistry and DNA in tubes, but they also had some wild orgies with elementary humans because they turned them on!

Hey, you know what they say:

It is not about beauty but it is about something new!
Whatever turns you on!

Time Travel

“Unfortunately, I do not know how time is related to the speed of light even though we are able to measure it.“


Actually, faster than speed of light!

Speed and Gravity are everything to time travel. Theory of Relativity of Einstein well explained it.

The faster you travel in space and back, the longer time has passed on Earth but with you, it was only been a short while.

“To be able to go back in time appears to be a physical impossibility since it would mean that as light travels through space one would have to interject oneself somewhere along its path. To me, this is not possible for light leaves a trail and to say reality exists somewhere along its previous path is difficult for me to comprehend.”


Picture, if you warp speed or stargate speed in your space travel. If this magnifies to the point of hundreds and thousands of years in the future, when you come back, where are you coming back to? Are you coming back to present? Who’s present?

Isn’t it true that you are really coming back to the past? Hundreds of years in the past?

But your point is that if we can travel to the past, your past with the young you? Yes, that is also possible without affecting the history but it is a slim possibility which takes a lot of explaining and scientific babble to display here and I have no time. It is already under study and experimentation.

“With antigravity, it is possible to break through the gravity barrier and attain high rates of speed. From what I have been able to gather about propulsion, it is the ability to achieve weightlessness and use zero-point energy obtained from space that enables extraterrestrials to travel throughout space. Dr. Ahreeman, I cannot agree with your belief that,

‘Your future energy source for space travel will most likely come from Action/Reaction, Wormholes, teleporting, leaping, warp speed, dematerializing, negative energy and dark matter than Zero Point Energy.’


I believe various methods which I stated are having a higher chance of possible space travel than Zero Point Energy.

“The military industrial complex has been very successful in keeping the knowledge and application of antigravity and zero-point energy from the American people. The U.S. military has already developed use of zero-point energy and antigravity with Interstellar Flying Objects (IFOs).”


You have no solid evidence that Zero-Point Energy has ever been harvested by man or anyone. It is third party he said she said.

Military is experimenting with it but that does not mean that they are flying it.

‘Dr. Ahreeman, I was pleased and energized after reading your thought below:”

‘The Further and Greater your Dreams are, the Further and Greater your Efforts will become.’
(Ahreeman X)


Your dreams are indeed far and I can see that your efforts are getting farther.

Do you know what is the problem with humanity?

Humanity by majority puts so much time into entertainment and entertaining themselves. They put less time in exercising their brains. That is why they have limited brains and thought patterns. Some have bird brains and reptilian reactions. Simple minds, simple pleasures.

Eat, Sleep, Sex and that is the definition of life and great life for humans. Their brain capacity cannot go further than that! They have limited minds and that is why they are God Fearing, Sinning, Perverts who do everything they consider as sins in private and then they go to Church to beg for forgiveness to buy a space in heaven!

There was this girl, I remember, who used to say:

“If one day, I wake up and see that there is no God, I don’t think that I want to live in that world!”

Think of the depth of stupidity in this statement!

You know what?

With liberals, its Climate Change Religion.
With Republicans its Christianity Religion.
Forget Muslims, they don’t even count because they are backward fanatics.
That is why as a scientist and a Free Thinker, I flip my finger to both because both are unscientific but they try to make their Climate Change Fantasy or God, scientific. This is where Climate Change Catastrophe and Intelligent Design comes from! Ignorance is a bliss!

Buddy, I lost my faith in humanity a long ago!

You still have your faith in humanity?

In hope for better days

“Many are Schooled, yet only a few are truly Educated!”

Amen!

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Re: Nicholas Ginex vs. Ahreeman X: Philosophy of Existence

Postby Nicholas Ginex » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:43 pm

Nicholas Response to Dr. Ahreeman’s Post of March 9th, 2019

Your response made my day for you were able to make me laugh at least three times. That is good as I don’t laugh easily unless there is real humor. The topic was Genetic Engineering where I found you to be a very funny person.

Genetic Engineering

I will begin with what made me laugh. It had to do with the topic Genetic Engineering by aliens and your response to my writing, “Over many thousands of years, they (aliens) may have lost the sexual desire of procreation.” Your response was,

“Possible, because when brain evolves, you pay more attention to inventing, philosophizing, creating, researching, experimenting and writing than having sex!”

My first laugh came here :lol: because, in a way, it seemed to describe me. Your next line was,

“If you have nothing better to do, then you just breed from morning to night like rabbits! That is why majority of humanity have so much sex, because they do not have the brain to do anything else! Now aliens are much more advanced than humans, so their heads become gigantic and their genitals shrunk!”


Though logical, I laughed again :lol: . It seems we agreed with my belief that aliens may be abducting humans to regain their sexual appetite by using human DNA.

Then after presenting why such a possibility exists you made the following remark, which made me laugh a third time.

“Now wouldn’t that be a hoot if Aliens, while lab experimenting with genetics on primates, did not only use biology, chemistry and DNA in tubes, but they also had some wild orgies with elementary humans because they turned them on!

Hey, you know what they say:

It is not about beauty but it is about something new!
Whatever turns you on!”

:lol:
Returning to Matters. Energies and Spirits

Now, I must say, you seem to have a hang-up on the belief in Spirits, which you defined as being,

“Every element which is not matter or energy. Ex: Thought, Soul, Psyche, Ghost,”

I like to keep my philosophical conception of energy and matter simple and is why I do not entertain the belief in an element you refer to as a Spirit. In your definition, you provided all man-made words and left out god as an element. But also, there is the element of consciousness, which some scientists believe pervades the universe. Psyche includes the idea of mind, mentality, and consciousness. In the link below, I wrote about consciousness. There are those in the medical and scientific professions that believe it can contribute to healing powers, telepathy, and transporting one’s awareness to communicate with aliens. Titled, Does Consciousness Pervade the Universe?, it may be accessed via:
[url]
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm [/url]

I will concede that thought exists as a brain wave that can travel and be accepted by another individual. However, thought is generated by a living organism at various levels, such as a bird, animal, human beings and even insect-eating plants. Fortunately, we humans are capable of transferring our thoughts onto paper and continue to learn from those who came before us. Without the ability to communicate in writing, I dare say, our thoughts may be reduced to the mental acuity of an animal or caveman.

Thought is not an entity, such as the imagined idea of a soul. There is no scientific evidence that a soul exists, just as there is no evidence that a god exists. These are man-made concepts. To believe a soul is part of a trinity, consisting of Energy, Matter and Soul is false. It is tantamount in believing the soul is a third entity, such as the Catholic belief in the Holy Ghost, which is the soul of God characterized as a third person.

Dr. Ahreeman, in defense of your belief in spirits, you wrote,

“Philosophically, Definition of Spirits is nothing new. I did not come up with it. I first read about it decades ago when I was a spring chicken.”

Of course, you did not come up with the concept of spirit, a soul, or ghost. These are all manifestations borne out of fear by our ancestors who finally created the belief in one universal god. The indoctrination of a belief in God is so strong that we even speak His name when we announce Amen at the end of a prayer, a successful outcome, or express a concluding sentiment we strongly believe in.

Although I do not believe in a soul, I do have reservations about an unknowable, incomprehensible, and mysterious entity – God. The Law of Conservation between energy and matter is a scientific fact, whereby they never are destroyed but only transfer from one state to another, or exists partially in both states. Still, the question arises, if energy first existed, how did it evolve to later transfer some of its energy into matter? This question is presently unanswerable. Perhaps, sometime in the future, our illustrious and highly intelligent extraterrestrials may provide the answer.

We know energy exists in space, and the brilliant inventor, Nikola Tesla stated:

“All perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life-giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never-ending cycles all things and phenomena.”

We also know that matter evolved or can be transformed (created) from energy. Paramahamsa Tewari, an electrical engineer verified with his space vortex theory how matter evolves with the birth of the fundamental particle, the electron. Our readers may verify that the electron is part of the creation of every atom that forms the elements identified in the Periodic Table of Elements, which may be accessed in the article below.

http://www.nicholasginex.com/2018/08/21/did-the-electron-begin-the-universe/

A review of elements listed in the Periodic Table of Elements verifies that the electron may be the mastermind in the creation of atoms. For every element, one or more electrons revolves around the nucleus of protons and neutrons of its atom. The above article concludes that the electron may be the fundamental particle that is responsible for creation of inorganic and organic matter in the universe.

Dr. Ahreeman, now that I have clarified my belief that energy came first, I cannot agree with you that
“It does not matter because they are all the same, just changing forms to one another.”

This is not a philosophical issue or problem for me that is due to a “Creationist Perspective.” As you know, I am an evolutionist and do not believe in creation by an unknown entity many refer to as God. My evolution belief is what drives me to philosophically conclude that energy came first, and to me, that does matter in terms of understanding the beginning of the universe.

Dr. Ahreeman, you must forgive me for appearing to badger you about your belief in a Spirit. Take another look at what you wrote about the spirit,
“Look at spirit as a biproduct of energy and matter, not as a mumbo jumbo paranormal entity such as God in Bible! Look at Spirit in the form of “thought”, pure thought.”

Thought is not a spirit but a product of the brain to formulate what one sees, hears, or feels about something. Thought arises as brain waves that are able, as electromagnetic energy, to travel from one’s mind to another or just dissipate in space. If, as you say, it is not destroyed but is transformed into energy or matter, it becomes part of the universe and may be why I subscribe to the idea that Consciousness Pervades the Universe as presented in the article below.

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/consciousness-pervade/index.htm

Dr. Ahreeman, you insist to support the idea of a trinity by stating in response to my belief that “Everything has a Beginning Even the Universe.”
“Yes, but again, it does not mean that due to this beginning or end, the 3 elements of universe have ever been created or destroyed. Your particular “thing” was created or destroyed but its matters, energies and spirits just changed forms and the general amount of each in the macro aspect stayed the same.”

I will not dispute the law of conservation of energy as it appears very logical that energy and matter exist and are interchangeable. However, I cannot subscribe to the belief of the trinity of three elements, even if the spirit is later conceived out of matter. To say the spirit existed with energy is to lean towards the idea of God being part of, or intrinsic with, energy. I do not know the answer to that possibility. But certainly, a spirit, if it exists, must have some organic ability to formulate thought and that only becomes possible in matter that has evolved into a brain.

Dr. Ahreeman, you give me credit for being able to “to look at the issues with a scientific and Big Picture point of view and perception,” but then you fault me, that because I am a man, my mind is limited and unable to grasp the Macro Perspective. You went on to state there is
“No Creation, No Destruction, No Creator, No Destroyer, No God. No Devil.”
You then made the conclusion that,
“Man is not capable to grasp this! Man is always looking for a creator for a creation!”

From the observation that there are multiple religions and conceptions of gods, it seems that you are correct about man looking for a creator. But we are here to present an alternate point of view based upon scientific discovery and logical thought that may advance our knowledge about the beginning of our universe. Right now, we are immersed in outdated teachings and are ignorant of such knowledge. That is why our scientists and astrologists still believe in the Big Bang. A very stupid or outdated idea when one considers the vastness of our universe and the billions of galaxies that are billions of light years apart with some one hundred times bigger than our Milky Way.

Dr. Ahreeman, you have clarified your view about the Trinity by redefining the Spirit as:
“Every element which is not matter or energy. Ex: Thought, Soul, Psyche, Ghost
None of these elements are matters or energies but they cannot exist without matters and energies because they are bi products of matters and energies.”
Gee whiz, Dr. Ahreeman you sure hold on to this belief in Spirits. As I wrote before, Thought, Soul, Psyche, Ghost are not entities. They are constructs of the mind and you may be subject to believing in them because such entities are similar to the entity “god” that you emphatically deny. Gee, if you can deny the concept of God you should be able to deny the belief in a Spirit.

You may gain a lot of friends and agreement in your belief in a Spirit if you simply substitute God for Spirit. But you are unable to do this because you do not believe in a Creator. I must admit, I am not knowledgeable to believe in a Creator. Such a belief is based upon faith and if it works for many people, so let them believe. We know that a belief can strengthen one’s outlook in hard times and if the belief in God helps, so be it. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as they do not go about killing people in the name of God – like fanatical Muslims who follow a corrupt religion.

The Point of Singularity.

Dr. Ahreeman, you attempted to answer my question, “at what point does energy give consciousness to matter?” Your answer was,
“At the point of Singularity.

The use of the word “Singularity” means nothing to me, especially after I heard it being associated with the “Big Bang.” I don’t believe in the Big Bang and instead, believe in multiple big bangs that have occurred in many parts of our universe. Only a fool could believe that billions of galaxies, many 10 to 100 times bigger than ours, and billions of light years apart, all came from one explosion. When you consider the mass of all of the galaxies in the universe, it is a very stupid idea.

I do believe, based upon logic and scientific facts, that living creatures exist on planets throughout the universe. I also believe that consciousness is inherent in the electron, which somehow, is the mastermind in evolving many elements consisting of different configurations of atoms. It appears to me that there is a will in the creation of elements to form matter that begins through gravity to form stars, galaxies and planets so that organic life forms can evolve. Philosophically, I believe that the purpose of the inherent will of the electron is to produce products of intelligent life forms that may someday acknowledge the beauty and vastness of the universe. If God or a Spirit is the underlying force of that consciousness, it is a mystery to me. Again, someday an extraterrestrial may be able to give us a plausible answer.

Dr. Ahreeman, your answer as to when consciousness or thought occurs to change matter to spirit was at the element level, which is the combination of one or more atoms. Here again, I cannot agree with the idea of a spirit at any level because thought is created through an organism that has a brain capable of thinking and creating waves of energy that can traverse in space. Spirits are conceptual that originated in the minds of men. I don’t believe in Spirits at all. But if you believe in Spirits it’s ok as long as it satisfies your beliefs about life. Since I also have no belief in a hereafter, I have no belief in a soul. I believe in my father’s words, “When you’re dead, your dead.” No more brain waves can be generated, period.

Many people believe in God for the possibility that they may, by leading a righteous life, join God in heaven upon death. This idea is foolish because even if it were so, what would one do with millions of years, an eternity, when one no longer has a material body to make things. It would no longer be necessary to worship God because one has already achieved worthiness to be with God. But also, why should only mankind be privileged to join God in heaven? What about the wonderful pet dogs and cats, beautiful birds, fragrant flowers, ants, roaches, and butterflies?

The Catholics have come up with a solution for eternal life by believing that when Jesus, Son of God, reappears on earth all righteous people and souls from the dead will be joined with him in the New Kingdom on earth. But that would mean an over population when one considers the millions of people who have worshipped and died in their belief of God. So many people, that would make it impossible to live on earth. Here again, when one thinks of the possibilities with a little bit of logic, one finds the idea of eternal life with God not only ridiculous but could be very boring as there would be no incentive to achieve great things when you’re well taken care of.

Genetic Engineering

Dr. Ahreeman, you seem to believe that Aliens have had a role in genetically engineering the human species. Just because we are experimenting with cloning and DNA, it does not mean aliens have done so to engineer humans. I have already addressed this topic at the beginning of this response and it seems we are in agreement that humans and all of earth’s life forms have evolved without the help of aliens. If you are an evolutionist, you certainly agree that all life forms originated from the elements of our beautiful earth and the heat from our sun.

Time Travel

Time is a measurement and not an entity and does not therefore go faster than the speed of light. The ability to travel through space at various speeds, that can even exceed the speed of light, depends upon how it is possible to access and manipulate gravity and energy in space. Our sneaky, untrustworthy military industrial complex has already been able to duplicate space travel upon back engineering the space crafts, Interstellar Flying Objects (IFOs), developed by extraterrestrials. This means that the military industrial complex has figured how to achieve antigravity weightlessness and utilize zero-point energy accessed from space.

The belief in our future source for space travel coming from wormholes, teleporting, dematerializing, negative energy, and dark matter may not materialize into reality. However, space travel has been studied and achieved by our distinguished scientists and engineers in underground top-secret compartments managed and controlled by the military industrial complex. They have already accomplished the capability of space travel with the extraction of energy from space as zero-point energy and the ability to control gravity.

To dismiss the achievement of space travel by our military, now under the Space Force created by President Trump, is to not acknowledge that over 70 plus years of back engineering extraterrestrial space travel technology has not been achieved. This is a poor assessment of what our military industrial complex already knows about zero-point energy and antigravity. This technology exists and is kept secret from our government and the American people.

Below is a statement from the website of Mark McCandlish, an internationally-recognized artist who has specialized in aviation and conceptual art within the defense and aerospace industries for the last thirty years. He has had dozens of sightings since 1966 and feels certain that zero-point ET technology has been co-opted by an unknown group, which can only be associated with the military industrial complex. This group has top-secret control of this technology. By keeping it hidden from the American people they are able to exert tremendous leverage in world politics, finance and international conflicts; such organized control has existed over the past five decades. Below, his website states:

Is there a Secret Space Program?

Zero Point Energy: The power source behind the Secret Space Program and Trump Card of the Break-away Civilization. How the back-engineering of off-world technology created powerful leverage for corporations to take over control of world government, establish an internationally-manned, secret space program and break-away civilization. Based on eye-witness accounts and insider information, Mr. McCandlish takes the audience through a series of revelations as to how remarkable breakthrough technology, may have been back-engineered from recovered or captured off-world vehicles, enabled aerospace and defense-related corporations to hijack control of governments world-wide, create a special access only, secret space program and develop a break-away civilization with its own goals and agenda.”

Below is one of his drawings he was able to construct upon having seeing space crafts on U.S. military Air Force bases.
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Dr. Ahreeman, you wrote,
“You have no solid evidence that Zero-Point Energy has ever been harvested by man or anyone. It is third party he said she said.

Military is experimenting with it but that does not mean that they are flying it.”

In my investigation of the achievements by the military industrial complex top-secret operations, I have concluded that they have achieved space travel capabilities using zero-point energy. The article below reports that ET UFO technology must be disclosed for the benefit of humanity around the world.

http://www.nicholasginex.com/2019/01/26/disclose-et-ufo-technology-for-humanity/

The following YouTube video presents proof that the military industrial complex has in fact developed and engineered zero-point energy and antigravity to fly an IFO into space. It is titled, ARV Alien Reproduction Vehicle ZERO POINT ENERGY Reverse Engineered Technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15SncixLHao

The above video, included an interview dated January 19, 2010, with Jan Harzan, Director of MUFON in Orange County. Jan said that back in March 23, 1993, Ben Rich, the second Director of Lockheed's Skunk Works from 1975 to 1991, stated at an UCLA Alumni Club,
“We now have the technology to take ET home.

Mr. Harzan stated that during a question and answer session, Ben Rich stated,
“We now know how to travel to the stars.”

During the interview questioning period, Ben Rich pointed to an individual and asked,
“Is it possible to travel to the stars?”

The gentleman answered he did not know but it would take a long time. Ben answered,
“You can do it in your lifetime.”

Later, after the interview, Jan Harzan asked Ben Rich the question,
“How does the technology work?”

Ben replied,
“How does ESP work?"

Jan said,
“I don’t know, all points in space-time are connected.”

Ben gave a reply that makes one ponder. :-k
His answer was,
“That’s how it works.”


Boyd Bushman, a Senior Lockheed Martin Research Scientist involved with secret UFO propulsion systems indicated that as early as 1959 the military industrial complex developed and engineered an IFO. This may be verified by viewing the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4

The above videos conclusively reveal that the military industrial complex has developed, engineered, and has successfully flown IFOs using ET UFO technology consisting of zero-point energy and antigravity. A man with a vision and love for humanity, Ben Rich said at the March 3, 1993 UCLA Campus School of Engineering presentation that,
“It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector.”

Ben’s statement was spoken 26 years ago and the cheating, power-hungry military industrial complex still has not released the greatest technical discovery that will lift mankind into a new era never before achieved on earth.

What is the problem with humanity?

Dr. Ahreeman, there is much truth in your assessment that the majority of humans spend much time on entertainment and less time using their brains. However, there is a segment of humanity gifted with the ability to think. They are the ones that are the teachers of morality, spend time instructing and informing others of the challengers that need to be overcome to make a better world.

The key to all problems is the respect for truth and to acquire knowledge by self or instructive education. Education is key to solve the problems of bias, bigotry and violence. When misguided people, like the Muslims are educated enough to realize that they have been made into fools, slaves that are subject to a corrupt ideology, then they will be able to help make our world a better one.

Dr. Ahreeman, I don't believe you have lost faith in humanity. You are one of our hopes for a better tomorrow. Never give up. You showed a glimmer of hope for better days by writing,

“Many are Schooled, yet only a few are truly Educated!”


Your displeasure with humanity was similar to Jesus in Matthew 22, when he spoke in parables telling the chief priests and Pharisees,

The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son.

The king sent his servants to invite all of his subjects to the wedding. His subjects did not come so he again sent his servants to tell his followers that he they are requested to come for he even killed some of his oxen and fatlings to prepare dinner for them. Still, his followers made light of the invitation. Many went back to their farms and place of business, and some others mistreated and killed the king's servants.

When the king heard what happened, he was wroth with anger and ordered his armies to destroy the murderers and burn their city. To justify his order, he told his servants that the wedding was ready but they that were invited were not worthy. The king then said to his servants,
"Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid them to the marriage."

So the servants went out into the highways and gathered as many as they found, both good and bad; and the wedding was furnished with guests.

When the king entered the wedding be saw a man who did not have on a wedding garment. King questioned the man,
"Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?"

The man was speechless and the king said to his servants,
"Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into the outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Then Jesus said the most memorable words of his parable,
"For many are called, but few are chosen."


Dr. Ahreeman, this parable may be compared to your quote,
“Many are Schooled, yet only a few are truly Educated!”

Jesus’ parable demonstrates that they who do not follow his words of morality and righteousness will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Such wisdom may be compared to the many people in life that do not take advantage of knowledge simply because of laziness, indulgence in entertainment and pleasing their sexual appitites. This is why your quote is similar to that of Jesus Christ. Self-indulgence leads to arrogance and stupidity.

I end by announcing the one-universal God conceived by men,

AMEN

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