Iranology: Iran 101 - Iran 110 (Courses on Real Iranian Culture!)
Iran101- hate, tazaad
Iran102- chaos, cheating
101 - Hate, Tazaad, COLD-HOT
I've read some
of the letters written about Leila. Somebody said:
of us Iranians have to bring ourselves down to such lowest depths
... Why do we have to prove that we are still a bunch of treacherous,
inhuman and deeply
callous characters? >
one of the features of Iranian culture?
In theory, we
hear a lot about:
- Iranians are 'noble' Aryan
- pendaareh nik, kerdareh nik, goftaareh nnik
- Muslems are kind & don't even step on annts
- Iranians often brag & look down at Ameriicans/Canadians/Australians:
"inhaa messleh maa taarikh nadaarand"
- Many articles with so much kind words inn them: "nassihat",
"azizaaneh man" , "khaaharaan/baraadaraan".
- if you fly, u'd be a bird; If you walk oon water, you'd be stick;
Love & be loved if you want to be somebody.
But in practice:
- In early days of Bahai, some were paradeed in the city with
lit candles inserted in holes made in their bodies -Kasravi.
(what kind of 'creatures' would do this?!)
- It was said that Saavaaki's were importeed from Israel(coz
mardomeh sharifeh Iran wouldn't torture fellow Iranians!).
Surely they must all have gone back by now, so there should
not be any torture in Iran, right?
- Look at the chat forums of Iranians, it''s all swear words
(goftaareh nik?) & hatred. And most of them have fake ID's
or names, WHY?!
- They can't even organize a poetry night outside Iran due to
- So much lies & hatred & division & killiing.
(my western friends make fun of me by mimiking me "I Killl
which made me realize that I say it too often(jokingly) &
this is not common in the west)
- Every party/group HATES every other partty/group.
- They always find a escapegoat: Shah/Falllaahian/...
'They' caused/forced the hatred/killing/torture.
NO, it wasn't Stalin who killed/tortured millions of Russians,
it was the russian people who did it.
- Millions of them think all their female singers are whores.
Others think they are filthy rich, yet others love their
female singers to death.
Can we expect more from a culture that brags & takes pride in
"Boro kaar meekon magoo chist kaar ..." ,
BUT in reality everyone knows that "Kaar maaleh Khareh":
If you work hard, you are KHAR-kaar
if you study hard, you are KHAR-khoon
the word for laborer is an insult: amaleh
love you to death(usually after you are dead:
the things they said/did to Neemaa; then they made him a hero
after his death), or hate you to death. One way or another it's
Look at how
they treated their KING.
I heard nothing but Jaavid-Shah for years & years. Everybody
had his picture in their shops/offices, then all of a sudden
blind-savage-hatred. Now somebody else's picture has to be
in every shop/office(till another cycle of hatred starts?)!
I still remember seeing on TV some people holding & kissing
pictures of valiahd, but look at them now? Can they be trusted?
They are full of emotions that can be easily changed over night
& explode & cause so much harm.
I remember some
Iranian guy saying years ago to his
kids "iraninaa hamisheh poshtet aadam harf dar miaaran"
Once in a park
I saw an Iranian father telling his child, who
was trying to touch a bird, "nah baabaa joon dast nazan, sang
They burn a
cinema full of people to blame the other party!
They start a
bloody/savage war & fight it blindly & almost
destroy the country. Then they go around blaming each other for
starting it (or blame the Brits/US. Why were you stupid to be
fooled?). They write books later & call each other names, but
their 'facts' are so full of bias that you don't know who to believe.
Even the big/super
revolutionaries now write books saying they
were so "hysterical" with the 'fever of revolution' that
see what was happening/coming. And accuse others of stealing the
It all seems
to be full of Hate, begging(holy Imaams to fix their
everyday trivial problems), mocking others(Torkeh x, rashtieh y,
So even oustside religion they don't have 'unity') and mourning/azaadari
over & over & over.
Even the music
is so sad/rozehkhoony one minute, then explodes into
dancing(read sinfull) rythem.
There is no
middle ground, it is either too hot, or too cold.
Everything is a sin: laughing, singing, dancing.
But in a wedding anything goes & people go crazy: dance/sing/cry/...
Nothing is serious
& there is no integrity:
you lie, you cheat, you bribe, you beg.
"Sakht nageer baabaa, khosh baash, dammet garm"
In late 78 people
used to say "come to my house tonight
for 'Allaho-Akbar-Baazi'" (going to the roof & shouting
As if it was a joke, people going to demonstration & laughing
not having a clue what they were doing.
Same people who used to shout with all their being 'Jaavid Shaah',
now say 'Marg bar shaah'!?
I have met many who went to 'tazaahoraat', but now live in the west
with 2 passports(which is not allowed) & say "maa nemydoonestim".
& no brain!
Then they blame
the 'west' for manipulating/buying/fooling them for
over 100 Years!
Fool me once,
shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
To make things worst, the 'facts' seems to depend on whose side
you are on.
I saw one documentary where they showed a film of a young Russian
lecturing the peasants in 1924 during Stalin times. Then she was
in her old age talking with pride how she used to wear birch-bark
didn't have anything, but the revolution gave her everything, so
loved Stalin. Then another guy was saying how he suffered in the
for years & how he hated Stalin because of it.
Yet in another documentary, this Russian guy saying "no wonder
a nation of thieves & murderers, we killed all our intellectuals
& educated people in cold blood".
The scorpion wants to cross the river and asks the frog if he can
onto his back and have the frog swim across the stream. The frog
well no because you will get excited & sting me. The scorpion
no I wont. So the frog tells him to jump on his back, and together
swim to the middle of the river. Sure enough the scorpion gets excited
& stings the frog. The frog says: see I told you this would
we are both gona die, what's the logic behind this?
The scorpion says: we are in middle-east, you are looking for logic?!
I read the link u gave. Very interesting, thanks again!
there are two major issues are involved:
1. Ability to manage the difference of views and policies.
2. Ability to give up something in order to gain something else
3. Ability to recognize & accept the better-idea even when it's
4. Ability to let the best man win.
It's about doing one's best & cooperation & brotherhood,
5. just because somebody else 'wins' doesn't mean we should become
morid/fadaayi & throw ourselves on their feet, nor it means
hate them & try to get rid of them!
I've seen too
many arguments in my area of work, when EGO prevents people
from doing this. If westerners do it, then it must be worst among
Often people side with others & would only support ideas coming
those they support. So they go on & on arguing. The idea should
important than the person behind it.
" We Iranians
are not team player."
Too much EGO & Qeyrat/mardaanegi?
Are Iranian women like this too?
I've known women who were dominated by their maadar-shuhar &
" Non of
us know this process(democracy) and only by practicing this,
we would become good at it."
"However we don't even have any equivalent word('Sharing')
in Parsi for this word"
But, my aunt had a Naneh (old lady) who looked after her kids, who
used to fight over food.
She used to tell them "sharik shariky bakhurid" !
to learn how to share with each other. The distribution of
power and independence of public office should be respected and
As a child I
saw my oldest uncle making too many mistakes, but he was DAADAASH
nobody dared to criticize him. When I reached 17, I asked my brother/sisters
NOT to call me DAADAASH anymore & use my first name instead.
Dictatorship starts from HOME! I remember many kids who treated
& nokar like dirt & ordered them around & insulted them.
Loved your "taglid"
Loved your 'lobster'
factor too. I heard a similar story from an Indian friend:
a successful indian guy kept Indian black crabs in an open jar on
his desk in
the office. One day his visitor asked "can't they get out"?
He said no these are
Indian crabs, the moment one tries to rise, others will pull him
I remember too
many times hearing Iranians calling other well-off Iranians names!
"... everything is a mess. ...
The goal is to try to clean up the mess."
Not at all,
I have to disagree with u on this!
"All those insinuations about Persian culture, history and
David, my sarcasm took over.
the sooner we 'accept' & clean up the mess, the better!
I don't mean we should 'kill' all the germs, but just to gently
educate & clean.
I read in iranian.com,
Guive Minfendereski saying something about Iranians
having the Ostrich syndrome. We should take out our head from the
sand & try
to SEE & identify the problems correctly & not look for
" there is no guarantee that they would form a government that
I will like."
We need a reasonable
'system' that would ensure power is not abused & could get
the country going on the right path. Some Americans can't stand
GW Bush, but
the 'system' works; it's not perfect & they have corruption,
but it 'works' much
better than ours! Even people like Chomsky live in it & say
what they want.
"Unity takes place when people or political parties realize
balance of power is changing."
"It was about six months before 79 uprising that people gradually
first started whispering each others ears about Unity, and then
started talking about unity in public."
I think we are
talking about the Palang factor here (see NaaPahlavi).
I read that
Khomeini was quiet for years, then all of a sudden
sends message to Qom that 'change is in the air', I don't think
he saw it on the moon or a dream. He must've been 'approached'.
He never said anything about CIA meeting with his people in Paris.
A TOP American General goes to Tehran, without Shah knowing to
ensure safe-return of Khomeini to Iran! Shah wrote that he had
sensed it coming & gave a few proofs for it in his book.
I wonder how much they spent this time?!
brag that they got rid of the SHAH. If this is so,
then how come they can't get rid of Mullahs in 22 years of constant
pain/torture/murder? There are far more people in opposition than
ever before with many parties/hezb, but nothing happens. After 20
years they elect another Mullah, who admits he can't do anything!
Some people still go around saying Shah was cruel, yet Shah was
saint compared to the Mullahs!
We should not
kid ourselves that it was Iranian-people who removed Shah.
"The reason they won't(unite) is because of their selfishness
And of course EGO/madraanegi/Qeyrat!
there are two groups in our society:
A. Those who want to build, and make progress.
B. Those who want to destroy and ruin everything that exist."
Some are in B , but don't even know it.
I think no matter
who takes over from IRI, if ever(!), it MUST have the 'blessing'
of UK/US, or else they won't get there or won't last long (thanks
to so many who
have sold themselves or Iran & will do it again). At least we
know this much from
And there WILL
be corruption & Dictatorship; if not high up, it will down bellow!
Y? coz the culture doesn't have what it takes at the moment.
We should stop fighting over choosing the perfect system, coz whatever
will NOT remain perfect. Even if we found Kaaveh/Rostam, there are
who would kill our hero (like those who killed Kasravi & set
fire to Abadan cinema).
IRI should be replaced with a reasonable system which would allow
the country & cleaning up the culture/MESS.
I've heard too
much about punishment.
admit to their crimes and appologize ?
will ir savages admit to their crimes and appologize ?"
There is this international-law lawyer, whose name I forget(Geoffrey
He had a TV program called hypothetical (IIRC). He had many people
his show talking about a hypothetical situation like imagine this
happened, now what would u do minister of so & so. In one his
shows in Australia,
he talked about Nazi criminals & that some of them were committed
50 years ego,
should we still chase them up? Eventually gets somebody high up
saying "all criminals should be punished no matter when the
crime was done".
So he immediately
asked "no matter what country?". The answer was a firm
Then he asked what about the Aborigines then? The Gov official went
and many in the audience applauded. Rape/Murder/genocide of Aborigines
very HOT issue in Australia.
This is still
a major issue. I heard some American journalists saying they
Didn't like these European courts going around prosecuting others,
Could turn nasty, they could prosecute many Americans for Vietnam.
Where do we draw the line?
& zhaandaarm & Arbaab deputies did a lot of bad things too.
Are we gona
create another Hate cycle?
we kill them all. What would happen to their families & kids?
It will create a hate party where people will just go around &
they don't like as Savak.
Do u really
think the new Gov will not have secret police? Do u really think
this will stop violence & brutality in Iran?
They were all
Iranians doing it to Iranians going round & round in cycle of
hate & violence.
How do they
apologize? Like this:
toro khodaa mano bebakhshid
man bichaareh hastam
khodaa mano zallllliiiiiiiiiil koneh
Or 'I was following
orders' would do?
be drugged or hanged or beaten to death by the people?
Should it all be shown on TV?
Should we beat them, then hang them & cut their balls &
put them in their mouth?
(I heard this is what happened to the Savak officer who took Kh
But Y should we stop there?
Y not kill everybody who voted for IRI?
Y not go back in time?
How about those Bahai that were beaten & paraded around with
lit candles stuck in
man-made holes in their bodies? (Or is Kasravi lying again?)
Weren't those Bahai real Iranians?
Should we not blame the Qajars for this & go & kill them
If Iranian Muslims
can hurt other Muslims so much, God knows what they've done
to non Muslims in the last 200 years alone!
Is it OK for
Iranians to kill non Iranians?
Should we return all the treasures that Naader 'took' from India?
How about all those
Who were killed in the invasion of India?
Who are Iranians?
Which point in history? Are the southern Russians Iranians?
Why not go back
& find all the Safavi's descendant & kill them too, coz
Why not kill
all the Greeks too?
Yeh, lets NUC
the whole God damn world & make Imam Zamaan to appear!
23 God damn
years of pain/murder/mistakes/regrets & we are still full of
Maybe this is
what happened to the dinosaurs. Instead of getting their acts together
& find a solution for their survival, they kept on fighting
There is no
mercy or free lunch in evolution, it's a jungle out there &
can't manage won't live long.
meanwhile back in the woods the bad bad wolf raqaasi mikoneh!
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102 - Chaos, Cheating, Partybaazy
I'd like to
talk about some of the things I've seen which could shed
some light on Iranian culture. I hope others could talk about &
their observations/experiences on Iranian culture too.
1- I was trying
to mix with Iranians, after having avoided them for
about 10 Years after the big "blood bath, Revenge/Hate party",
went to a Sizdehbedar gathering outside Iran.
in a major park with Iranian flags(don't remember which
one, but it couldn't have been the new one due to so much music/dance,
perhaps it didn't have anything in the middle?) all over the place,
which stood out (not a feature of that country). They used
hand-held-speakers (bolandgu), which
was not a thing to do in that country.
They were divided
into 'family' groups, but you had to be careful
whom you said hello to! Everybody was looking from the corner of
eyes to see what others were doing & who was talking to whom
galore. Most groups had their own music & many danced too. Too
Most of the
older ones (over 40) didn't have the shaadi & the
spark-in-the-eye that was seen in most of the younger ones. The
newly arrived from Iran were 'shy' & there was uncertainty in
their eyes(not found a job yet, still living with the relatives,
...?). Young men tried not to be too obvious that they were
checking out the girls.
2- I was walking with an Iranian guy & he saw a young girl (25)
with no hejaab.
He greeted her
& talked to her in a very warm/polite manner:
Salaam Khaanum, Haaleh Shoma, Maamaan khuban, Baabaa khuban, ...,
Kheyli Salaam beresunid, qorrrrrrrrrbunnnnnnnnnnneh Shomaa
I was thinking
all the time gee 'garmiyeh Iruniaa' is something else &
I should not avoid Iranians, this is where I 'belong'!
Then the guy
told me: Havaaset baasheh haa, in dokhtareh rahemesho
chandaffeh amal kardeh(ie. watch out, not only she is not a
'virgin', but she has aborted a few times).
I wouldn't be
surprised to know that she too said bad things about him!
3- After lunch there was sporting games (mosaabeqeh).
All adults were so full they couldn't move. So this was for the
kids. It was the race where you get into a sack & have to run/jump
in it. A guy was using the bolandgu (like the Ashura days?) trying
to explain the rules to the kids, who were anything from 5 to 14
years old (!). Some fathers were helping the young ones. They had
run to the end, about 30 m away, and run back to the start-line.
was hard for the small kids to see the end because people were walking
everywhere & it was very crowded & noisy (another feature?).
could not even hear the guy properly because he kept on turning
back to them while talking.
Anyway the race
started & the 'kids' ran for it. Soon there was a huge gap due
to the difference in size/age of the kids. It was very noisy/chaotic/crowded,
the guy was shouting in the speaker & some parents were shouting
In the middle
of this CHAOS, one kid turned back even before reaching the 2/3,
a few others saw him & they turn back too, but some kids were
still jumping to the
end. The guy with the speaker, while constantly shouting, somehow
lost the plot &
started watching those who CHEATED by turning before reaching the
end. Sure enough
3 of the big kids won & got their prizes.
Some of the
honest kids were very upset & some of the young ones were crying.
Then I saw some of the fathers going to the prize-desk with their
PAARTYBAAZI telling the guy in charge:
juneh man, bacheh geryeh meekoneh, gonaah daareh, yek jaayezeh ham
be in bedin
(my child is crying, pls give him a prize too)
some of these kids (who may not have even finished the race properly)
got some prizes. They immediately stopped crying & took the
prizes to show/brag
to other kids(some of whom went to their fathers crying too!)
Later on I asked
myself: aren't these the foundation/basic-principles of the Iranian
- Total CHAOS
- Any rule can be & will be broken
- Lack of LOGIC/sense
- PAARTIBAAZI (bribery/corruption)
in every aspect of life from buying bread to whatever. If you are
poor you do it
everyday buying bread, but you complain when you can't because it's
out of your
- Hysteria/Shur/Hayyajaan (just look at soome the pictures of the
(Why is this? Is it because so much emotions are always forced inside?
Is it because Iranians have such sad lives?
Why are they always looking for the Messiah/Savior/Mahdi?
Was it like this before Shi'ite-Islam?)
So the kids
learned a very important lesson that day:
In order to get anywhere in Iranian culture you must:
break the rules, lie, cheat, bribe & do Partybaazi!
had used their brain, all of this could/should have been avoided:
- have one race for each different age-grooup kids.
- They should run/jump from start to finissh (& not back!)
So the Guy starts the race & goes to the end watching that nobody
This is what
I mean by:
& no brain!
They don't think
things through, just get angry & react & go on killing each
with hatred & stupidity & destroy their own country with
a 'Revolution'. But they
are surprised at the result & accuse each other of 'stealing
And go around call each other names & blame foreigners &
each other with so much
They have some
kind-soul like Khalkhaali go around killing people &
go around brag about it "I killed Hoveyda, you know."
& write a book about it.
Did he read from Sa'di to the victims "bani AAdam Azaayeh Yek
...", before they were tortured/killed ?!
But Iran is
not enough, they want to export this 'Hate' to other countries &
over the world.
Then the whole
country goes on another Hysterical-movement 'electing' somebody
can't do much because his hands are tied. Even one Mullah said "well,
have told people your hands were tied & resigned".
The shame of
it is that they have(had?) so many people with 'brain' who live
in exile or jails(treated with "Mehmun Navaaziyeh Garmeh Iruni"!)
(Kasravi & too many others).
I think this goes beyond 'Rezhim/Hezb' & bad-guy1/2/3/4/...,
don't you agree?
Bee Khiyaal, Saakht nagir baabaa, befarmaa'id dahanetuno shirin
Baala raftim aab bud,
paa'in umadim duq bud,
Iran hamash duruq bud.
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103 - Mourning, Ashura, Rozeh-khuni
1- Once an Iranian
couple (in their early 40's) came to
stay with me for 2 days from another city. On their first
day, they went to look at the city & came back with the
Video of Haayedeh's Funeral (Shabeh Khatm). They watched
it together & cried. This was their holiday!
often I remember women in my extended family
crying when they got together & listened to sad songs.
Were they crying at the Ruzegaareh Siyaah, aging, lost
parents, lost youth, hard life?
2- Years ago
my neighbors were an elderly couple (in their
80's). They were very polite & never spoke with
Hasrat(regret)/Bichaaregi/Zellat. I never heard them
complain about their kids not visiting them, or
They were mostly
active in their garden. The guy had eye
& heart problems & was hospitalized after a heart attack.
After a week he came back & told me he hated the hospital
& he wanted to be active. A week later he died on a buss
(& not in a hospital bed he hated so much).
I never saw
his wife cry. I could see her sad when she
didn't know I was watching her. They must've accepted the
facts that they were old & were going to die soon. She
always tried to look nice & often would put on some make-up
to cover the deep wrinkles on her face. She would always give
me a BIG SMILE when I said hello to her. I knew she loved him
very much & would miss him & unlike Iranian couples there
wasn't much gap between their age.
She always kept
busy with the garden or visiting friends
(going bowling) or going to Church). They had no shabeh-khatm,
no shabeh-haft, no shabeh-chelleh, no sinehzani, no covering
everywhere with BLACK cloth, no throwing herself on the ground,
no pulling her out, but she loved him & missed him.
I'm sure they
must have had some private ceremony, but nothing
to prevent the neighbors from gossip/back-stabbing (Zanikeyeh
bihayyaa). They did NOT live for the 'Mardom'.
They were extremely un-Iranian, but I loved them both.
3- In contrast
to 2 above, I once went to the majleseh tahrim
of a young Iranian who died in a car accident. I knew his
brother. I felt it was a special ceremony & somehow like a theater.
In this act everybody cries; then in the next act tea & sweets
are served (Befarmaa'id dahanetuno shirin konid), but I
was so upset with Boghz in my throat that I couldn't eat & was
not comfortable eating Sweats as if I was in a part!
The mother was
Crying & 'talking' to his son "ey vaay, to
cheraa mordi Akbar jun? biyaa injaa beshin man beram jaayeh
to. Ey vaay khoda Mano zalil koneh. Ey vaay didi che khaaki
be saram shod.
The father had
covered his face & was crying with his whole
body shaking. He looked totally 'broken' (Shekasteh) &
sometimes talked to his dead son as if he was there. Somebody
on my side said "Haaji kheyli bitaabi mikoneh".
Many would take
a break & would go in the back to tell the kids
to be quiet & have a tea or talk with others who were there.
Oh the face of the small kids seeing their parents crying!
The kids tried to be quiet & sit close to them.
The people would
come in & go to the front to say tasliyat to
the Daaqdideh parents. The parents spoke with so much
pain/hasrat/bichaaregi. For months I asked the brother
to go out for dinner but he refused.
I did not find
any of this funny at all & was most upset &
depressed for weeks thinking.
The way the
parents were talking to their dead son reminded
me of Rozeh-khuni (Moharram), where grown-up men cried with
their hand on their face & their whole body shaking & some
hitting their head. Then they had a tea break & talked with
other while a new aakhund would walk in & some would get up
say salaam in Arabic. But to keep the momentum going somebody
would give Salavaat & the whole crowd would 'participate' &
shout salavaat. Entertainment, Psycho Therapy, Brain wash,
Manipulation, Socio-Political Advice, Religion & Salvation,
Theater, Audience participation (Berthold Brecht eat your heart
people would joke about how big the Shekameh
Aaqaa was, specially for the out-of-town aakhund.
In fact this
is an important point, Y were most of the jokes
about 'outsiders'? But the strange thing was that if the
stranger Akhond made them to have a good-cry, they would be
his 'moreed'! So is the urge to Domination/hierarchy a factor
here? I mean we mock others to show we are superior to them,
until they prove otherwise, then we become their Morid?
Could rozzehkhoony pacify people?
They just sit there & listen & weep & let themselves
& manipulated, without questioning (u can't question GOD!)
or expressing opinion.
And I was thinking about Sineh Zani in Ashuraa. How many of
the Laato-Lut would join the Sineh Zani & how some of them
tried to impress the girls in black Chaadors who were
Could a major
contributing factor to Iranian culture be the
ASHURA factor or the salavaat factor:
just shout what the guy in front of the sineh-zani says.
Be it Marg-bar-x or jaavid-x, or whatever, as long as
it's a Sho'aar, we shout it loud, the louder the better!
Are we not 'conditioned' for it?
And I was thinking about Shahreh Qesseh:
Kaari keh mollah mikoneh, mellato dollaah mikoneh, baa
qolhovvallaah mikoneh, ...
Did Bizhan see it coming?!
4- I once rang
my Aunt in Iran after her husband had died from
natural causes (old age), but she cried so hard saying "Ey
vaay x jun, didi ammat Zalil shod, Ey vaay x jun
Bichaareh shodam, Ey vaay
., EY VAAAAAAAAY Ey VAAAAAAAYYYY"
I couldn't say a word from the Boqz in my throat. After what
felt like hours, she said with total Zellat/Bichaaregi "khob
shomaa chetorid? Khosh Hastid?", but I couldn't talk!
I was so upset & shaken for weeks.
If we believe
in the all-mighty & all-knowing GOD, then
should we not accept the fact that it was God's will & not
question it? Why should we always remember the dead with
Zellat/Bichaaregi/Khaari, why should we not CELEBRATE
their LIFE & who they were?
I sure don't
want anybody to even cry after I die & would
like my loved Ones to remember me with fond/loving/HAPPY
Oh the art of
the 'Islamic mourning' in Iran, God knows
how deeply it has gone into the Iranian psyche, most of
the music even sounds like mourning.
I would appreciate
very much if some kind non-Muslim
Iranian souls would write to me/here to tell me their own
I remember some
people watching TV saying
"Ah in digeh kiyeh? Mesleh amaleh haa mimuneh.
Hameh digeh khaanandeh shodan!"
Could the point
I made about <mocking 'outsiders'
& the urge to Domination/hierarchy> be a factor here?
for many reasons, sometimes even at
sad jokes. Sometimes they laugh out of frustration.
Not only I never
laughed thinking about all this,
I have a bad headache now from reading this before I
posted it a few hrs ago, even though I wrote it 4 weeks ago.
A friend once
said tragedy becomes comedy in time.
But I think that would depend on how much u were
burnt by it. If u suffered enough, u won't laugh.
A bitter smile maybe, but not laugh.
So much PAIN
that could be avoided.
If only people could develop their BRAIN & learned to use it.
laugh to relief/release our stress too.
& HM for your replies.
I'd love to
find where this linking of hair-pulling/zellat/ey-vAy
with Atefeh/love comes from. I mean just because somebody
doesn't cry when their loved-one dies, doesn't prove
lack of love/Atefeh.
be a factor here?
I mean if crying was not a feature of the culture, then
people would NOT pay somebody to make them cry would they?
Paying for laugh/comedy maybe, but not crying.
So the crowd
had to be 'conditioned' for it, no?
Could it be that with khaaleh-zanaki & back stabbing like
being called bi-Atefeh biHayaa yazid ... & being afraid
of harfeh-mardom (specially in small towns where the clergy
must have been Gods), somehow people got conditioned into
I think harfeh-mardom
plays an extremely important role in
the Iranian culture: "amaan az herfeh mardom!"
I remember some fuzul & lazy women going
around in small towns doing moftkhory & spreading
cruel gossip/rumor. Many knew how past/bisharm/doru they were &
to treat them well.
I know many
moved to Tehran(big city) to get away from
the social-pressure/restriction of the small towns, often
caused by Islamic factors. U had to go to masjed/rozeh-khuni,
u had to behave this way or say this/that, etc.
God knows how
much damage has been done just by
this little feature of fuzuli/gossip by khaaleh-zanakaan & the
pressures put on girls/women
for not being torshideh & behaving this way or
that way. Keeping up with Joneses in cultures that
suffer from dictatorship/domination/hierarchy
can be far worst than what we see in the west!
Even women try
to get into the act using their
husband/arbaab wealth & have to be zaneh-arbaab (haaj khanum)
& behave this/that way.
Nice post David
I agree with all u said.
When I think
way back, to a few trips I had to
small towns in the north in my childhood, I remember:
who worked on the fields seemed much
happier & outgoing. They often sang while working (men side
by side women). They often joked with each other too.
Nobody wore black chaador!
2- u saw black
chAdors in small/big towns!
This is where u had to look 'respectable' & be aware of
But there were exceptions too: I remember this 'old' haaji,
who had 30 yo kids, got caught in a women public bath with
a young woman. Many joked about it.
3- Perhaps this
lack of entertainment is a factor
for so much ceremony in rozeh-khuni. We wash hands & feet
in a ritual first, then we namaaz together (physical
movement, warm up the body). We then sit around together &
tea with sugar is served, have a chat, relax, watch who is
coming/going, gossip, then listen to speech/ceremony, then
rozeh-hkhuni & crying, then salavaat, next another round of
tea & sugar is served, people feeling sabok from crying, &
on & on.
4- Ashuraa was
a major source of activities for many families:
they made halvaa, sharbat, ..., kids were sent to serve these
to people, dasteh, ...
Boys showing off in sineh zani when girls looked.
Ta'ziyeh in many small towns was a major source of 'entertainment'.
I don't mean to be rude/sarcastic, but in a way
this was a major entertaining activity.
We are talking
about towns that had no TV or
cinema & come dusk u could hear the azaan all over
the town & shops closing & people going to masjed.
5- I remember many young boys laughing hysterically when
they saw a horse shaash, or got excited.
A super major source of entertainment for the kids at least.
Of course there was laughing at fool of the town too, which was
sometimes very cruel coz they picked on mentally-retarded.
6- Last but
not least I remember many young boys talking
about maadiyun (mare) & bragging about having sex with them.
This I found absolutely shocking, being a big-city boy &
having had a sheltered life.
that many books have been written by some of
major olamaayeh dini about this subject describing when & how
it is OK to do it, this must be an important source of
'entertainment' in small towns/villages.
We must clean UP the culture first if we want 'democracy' in Iran.
Thanks for your
I can't tell
u how happy I feel when I see Iranians being KIND to
each other & mean it! Not just to somebody in their hezb/party/group,
but to the 'opposition/enemy'! It is possible guys! I do remember
a lot of
kindness from my childhood too!
I got so disgusted
by the big Revulsion, that I switched-OFF from
Iran & for 10 years I had so much anger & hate in me towards
& anything Islamic & held all Iranians responsible.
For over 10
years, I kept of saying: no not all
Iranians are terrorists/Mullahs/fanatics, no
not-without-my-daughter is not common, no we
don't do female circumcision, ...
After 15 years
I discovered y it's been said "dar afv lezzatist keh
dar enteqaam nist". I have not forgotten & will never forget,
hate & anger are very destructive.
It's been said
that to find friends one must close one eye & to keep
them one must sometimes close both eyes. Iranians must learn to
cooperate & not be domineering/dictatorial/hierarchical.
Up to 6 months
ago, I did not know who the president was in Iran, or
who the presidents were in 79-2001! Two years ago I looked at some
Iranian chat-site full of the most rakik fohsh, so bad that one
pleaded for it to stop. U could argue that the Fohsh-giver was the
agent or some other hezb member trying to cause damage. But the
is that it disgusted me again.
Iran has given
me too much pain in the last 30 years that I care to
remember. I've seen many of loved-ones loose the spark-of-life in
their eyes & many had heart attacks. Every time I get a picture
my loved ones from Iran, it makes me depressed for weeks.
I'm sick of
these words: sho'aar, enqelaab, aazaadi, freedom, hezb, ...
I'd like to see a 'reasonable' government in Iran working towards
welfare of all Iranians of all religions. I doubt if we could have
true democracy in Iran in the next 200 years. We must build the
for it first.
Most of my loved-ones
are Muslims, so I wouldn't say bad things about
Islam in front of them, and I can't hate them. My love for them
beyond religion! Also, the Islam I remember was NOT full of hate/anger.
I'm not saying Islam is good, but it should/can be much better than
has been in Iran. If most people were intelligent & could THINK,
have less social/religious problems in Iran.
I read a book
about this Mullah who turned against IRI, coz he found it
too cruel. He talked about his childhood growing up in Qom(?) &
being careful not to step on ants! Does anybody remember the name
book? IIRC there was 'prophet' in the title.
in many countries & have had friends from many different
religions. I judge people for who they are, not for their country
origin or their religion.
I know Islam
will be in Iran 200 yrs from now, if Iran as we know it
still exist! It may have less supporters, or more intelligent supporters
, but it will be there. The solution is NOT to KILL all aakhund.
are Iranians. We've had too much HATE!
I'd like Iranians
learn to THINK & seek knowledge & use logic/sense &
be compassionate towards life & all living creatures, &
learn to LIVE.
But to get there
we need to clean the dark spots in the culture &
educate the people. But this is a catch-22 situation. We need a
government for doing this. And to have that we need to cooperate
together: left/right/up/down & Islam! We must learn that we
are all in
this sinking boat together!
Is it the the
salavaat factor which causes the following:
whatever u r told.
Be it Marg-bar-x or jaavid-x, or whatever, as long as
it's a Sho'aar, we shout it loud, the louder the better!)
or the Baabaa-aab-daad
factor in schools?
the louder the better.
Could it be
that all this shouting prevents people from THINKing?
baabaa aab daad,
emaam marg daad!
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104 - Education, Parents
Y are Iranian
University students so angry?
What are the real reasons/factors behind their anger/frustration?
Could suppression of sex & the urge for domination play a role
In the west, most young people constantly try to have fun &
They are always looking forward to weekends & try to plan their
fun thing to do: sport, camping, drinking, SEX, dancing/party, etc.
They are so full of life & u can see the 'spark' of life in
They learn to socialize with the opposite sex & learn to come
terms with their sexuality early in life. They go to university
they like it, else they just do whatever they find. They do NOT
to be Dr/Eng To be somebody & have a normal/comfortable life.
In high school there was a major division btwn the top students,
others called ostaad & others. Many of the ostaads looked down
other students. One guy was very jealous & would only talk to
u if u
were one of the top students. He couldn't stand it when somebody
solved the math problem. He was a never-miss-prayer Muslim with
father (I think?). He wore modern clothes & He was not good
in sports &
played basketball like a bulldozer.
In one of the
after-diploma gathering, I saw a lot of EGO & looking down
at others: I'm in fanni, I'm in Beirut, I'm in aaryaamehr. Every
had to have winners & losers: it was a war for supremacy &
U didn't let the other guy finish, u didn't even listen let alone
forbid agree with him! Or u could see back & watch the others
regarded as idiots fight it out.
Thinking back to my high school days, we were never encouraged to
What a LOSS. I don't ever remember seeing kids in small towns
reading. They were always hanging out in the streets. The only time
I saw them reading was during exams, when they walked up & down
alleys reading & memorizing & looking at the girls. They
never had a chance to really THINK & absorb. They did it just
the exam. I don't think kids in schools were/are taught to THINK
this is a shame.
I see a lot of public libraries in the west which are free
& heavily used. Many kids learn to read from an early age in
Some of the parents even read books for them in bed at night. I
what % of Iranian parents do this?!
Come to think
of it, I never saw many adult shopkeepers reading books
in Iran, many just sat in the shop waiting for customers, or talked
rubbish, & I do mean rubbish & filth, with the other shopkeepers.
I remember seeing the feeling of defeat/failure in most students
year-12. They were sad because they knew they couldn't make it to
what they saw as the 'TOP' fields in the top universities. I could
also see the arrogance of the top students looking down at others
& bragging about what they were gona choose in Konkur. The average
students had to take what was left & other students had to face
the nightmare of military service & the fact that they would
be Aaqaayeh Doktor/Mohandes & had to be nobodies.
Even the top
ones didn't have a clue what was it really like to
be/study this or that field, but still used their perception in
power-game : mine is bigger than yours, I'm going to Fanni, Well
am going to Aaryaamehr, etc. Top students were often called Ostaad.
But this was
a good private school in Tehran, things must have been
far worst in small towns.
Many who felt
so triumphant for making it to the university learnt
that getting there was just a beginning! Many didn't even like their
major/field after 2 years.
Many who were
stuck with the unwanted fields couldn't get motivated.
Some, strangely enough, got to like it, but didn't see any future
it(eg. biology). Many who could've done well, couldn't even get
college in Tehran University, they had a term for uptight
serious male students, who usually were 'enqelaabi' & didn't
with the girls & belonged to mountain climbing club. The term
'Ann Aaqaa'. The AA were always in conflict with outgoing students,
who could socialize with the girls. Fine Art college café
teriyaayeh Honarhaa) was very popular and many students from other
colleges took their female friends/dates there. It had a very 'happy'
atmosphere & u could see many girls & boys sitting &
in a much friendlier way than other colleges.
there were serious fights btwn Honarhaa & other
colleges, in the name of barf-baazi (snow-fight) and sometimes it
out of hand. Was jealousy a major factor behind this(I mean excluding
the big-D factor: Domination)?
I think being
with, and knowing how to deal with, the opposite sex
was/IS a major issue among students. All being young & full
(u could say run-by-hormones), but they had too many taboos &
to kill the 'spark' in their eyes. Could this be a major factor
being so angry & frustrated & becoming 'enqelaabi'.
Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing 'relationship' among
Once I was advised: yek dokhtareh javun begir va khodet tarbiyatesh
I thought gee I don't want a child, I'd like a soul-mate!
Come to think
of it true relationships are even hard to find in the west,
specially among the working class. In Australia red-necks are called
aakerz & they call women shiela's & see them good for 'rooting'
How could they form relationship in Iran when they never socialize!
I personally think lack-of-SEX is one of the major factors for ANGER
in Iran, at least in the 17-45 single men.
I don't mean just the physical-SEX, but romance & all the benefits
can have : physical/spiritual/mental/...
It gives a new dimension to life.
We often hear
jokes like "U seem very happy, did u get laid last night?"
It must be true folks, a good & romantic relationship does miracles.
I remember a few students, who were shy coming from small towns,
used to wear conservative cloths. But after 2 years in Honarhaa
they started wearing after-shave & learned to be cool(long hair)
with the girls & were less serious/enqelaabi.
And of course
the big gap btwn the rich & the middle class & the really
) is a major factor too. Could it be
that they think
they know it all & read a few books & look at the social
structure & become
Enqelaabi? A guy in Honarha was from a very poor family & he
was angry at
Many things, but he was not Enqelaabi. He joked a lot too.
In my university days in mid 70's in Tehran. One day I saw posters
on the wall saying "dear brothers/sisters, don't go to classes
because Shah is torturing students ...". Later I found out
that one student
was beaten up with metal-pipes & was hospitalized for going
to a class on
that day. So I thought to myself: Hmmm, these guys (daaneshjuyaaneh
sharifeh Iran) will beat up people(their own 'brothers/sisters')
now, when they are NOT in-power. What would they do when they took
I heard the student who got beaten up was just a student & not
I said this
to many I knew who went to allaaho-akbar-Baazi & Tazaahoraat,
they were too full of Hayajaan to think.
I was at a difficult lecture. The Ostaad was tired having taught
many classes all day. One student(enqelaaby) started laughing at
from the guy in front of him & he was disturbing the class.
The Ostaad stopped & said something polite(don't remember what)
to the student.
The student got up & told OFF the Ostaad in a very rude &
to be maa chikaar daari, to darseto bedeh!
I was melted down into shame, he didn't even use Shomaa & said
'to' in a insulting
Knowledge should bring enlightenment & compassion & NOT
HATE & ANGER & murder,
or am I being naive & romantic?
Why Iranian kids are so hyperactive & jushi/hayajaani?
be some of the factors:
-they are adored when babies, they are huggged & played with
-when the next baby comes along, they are ignored & are expected
to behave & be grown-up.
-they don't learn to think & talk & expresss themselves,
when they are thrown
up & down & spoken to in baby-talk.
-they are treated like cattle in schools wwithout getting any individual
attention. Just repeat & shout what u r told & memorize:
baabaa naan daad, ...
-they don't get enough quality 'attention'' at home.
I've seen western friends just following their kids all day &
them explore & learn. Once I saw the mother took a 2 yo girl
out of the car
to go shopping. Every time the girl saw a puddle of water, she wanted
into it. The mother patiently let her do it & waited till she
rather than pulling her hand & shouting "aay zalil beshi
tu aab naro, khafam kardi".
uneducated unhappy mothers/fathers who struggle for their
daily expenses, broken down under so much social burdens/pressures/khoraafaat
be good parents? Nothing to be happy about, nothing to look forward
'holiday' plan in the tropics, no candle light dinners, just Ashura
& HARFEH MARDOM.
u grow up in
a crowded family, without a room of your own, sleeping with
brothers/sisters in one room. Baazigushi & fight & surviving
the exams in
school (if u r lucky to go to one), trying to control suppressed
learning the rules of the CHAOS (read IRAN102), never learning to
& running on hormones & qeyrat/shur/hayajaan.
If u r lucky
& pass the konkur nightmare, u go to UNI & end up working
hard & being angry & frustrated. But if u don't pass konkur,
u r dead:
the nightmare of Sarbaazi & all the waste coming from it. When
out, u have nothing & are nobody & know u will never be
If u make it this far, before u know it u r married & have to
put up with
maadar/pedar shohar, some of whom could be cruel dictators(are we
Shah for this too?!) & next thing u know u have 5 kids, all
crying at the
same time. u go out carrying the crying kids/maarmolaks & all
the bags while
holding your BLACK chaador in hot weather on a noisy bus shouting
"aay zalil shodeh khafam kardi"!
Be gentle folks, even to your enemies!
And enjoy LIFE while u can!
Dear Range Bar,
U r more than
welcome to disagree with me, coz when it comes to Iranian
Culture I'd love to be dead WRONG. I'm not heading any party or
have no intention of Dictating anything or anybody.
If I thought
west was perfect, I'd be a westerner & live happily ever after
in it. There are too much tragedy in the west too: rape, rang rape,
domestic violence, greed, SEX-is-everything, u-must-have-SEX, drugs,
inside and outside of Iran have always had a happy, and active
Are u including
all those kolfat/nokar/amaleh/abehozi in this too?
How about all those young arus who were treated like dirt/slave
Pedar/maadar shuhar & havu?
Sure, many people
in IRI have laughed all the way to the bank & have been very
"Many of Iranian teenagers and adults including the college
have a happy life and many were sexually active before their marriages,"
Sure, many did
it in "unnatural ways", if u catch my drift. A female
once cried for me coz her X-boyfriend, who slept with her for years,
her saying he would never marry a non-virgin. They were both educated
told me about how he & his friends gang-raped a young girl who
was in love with him. I assure u I'm not making up stories. One
wrote a letter to Iranian.com saying she was raped at 2 (IIRC)!
God knows how
many kolfats were raped by pesar-arbaab. I have personally heard
who said they used to chase after dokhtar dehaati & have sex
with them, the
unnatural way coz they had a heart, in their sarbaazi (sepaahi days).
Iran is NOT
just the minority 'intellectuals' in Tehran or now in the 'west'.
"Also, college still is a big deal for many parents in west
Sure, but it
is true mostly for Immigrant families.
After many years in school/UNI, I had problem finding a job. My
had left school & was a gardener, used to laugh at me coz he
had 3 houses when
he was 30!
I take no pleasure
in this 'talk' & It has taken me over 20 years to bring myself
to admit & accept some of these things. Even now, I'm only raising
am not an authority on the subject.
I got a reply
from a friend who said:
As we were looking at the pictures, we came across her
grandson, who is about the same age as me, and I said,
whatever happened to him? Then she went into this long
talk, and kept repeating "Een Bahooshtareen Estudent'eh"
and kept ranting on about how he was the top student and
so on... Then she asked me, what have I achieved, and I
told her, that so far, I haven't achieved anything
academic, because I haven't been to school for 6 months!
Then, I saw a look of glee in her face, that looked like
she was proud that her grandson had achieved something,
This is an excellent
I had completely frogotten about this bit!
In my younger
days I used to be very touchy about
this & used to think "giram pesareh to bud faasel,
az fasleh pesar toraa che haasel"
Coz it was common
to say that u should not brag about
who your father was & try to be somebody yourself.
"giram pedareh to bud faasel, ..."
Yes I remember
seeing many parents take pleasure in seeing
even the children of their own brothers/sisters failing konkur,
or getting into what they thought was 'lower' than their own
children's fields in UNI.
Yes the urge
for dominance/superiority is very strong among
brothers & sisters too.
It was even
worst among non family members in a society that
runs on harfeh mardom, where u live in fear of Harfeh mardom.
This is even worst in small towns! u'r not supposed to wear
this clothes or that coz "aaberuyeh aaqayeh x mireh"!
It saddens me when I think how easier it is to go
to UNI in the west & how some not so-good high school
students could change & do very well in UNI. But these
wouldn't have a chance in Iran coz if u fail konur, u r
history. Although u could try again, but many don't.
I wonder what this does to young people. U have the urge
to be superior to others & brag & exaggerate & be dominant.
But u fail konur & had to go sarbaazi & when u come out
U've forgotten all about riyaazi/shimi. If u were good, u'd
have not failed in the first place.
I remember many
parents using other kids as models to their Kids:
"az x yaad begir, bebin che aaqaast, bebin che dars khuneh".
But this created a lot of resentments & oqdeh too.
I know some
men who still carry scars from this.
If u were rich,
u could go khaarej, else u could even go to
India. But if u didn't want to go to school & were not rich,
then god help u! So much cheshmeh ham baazi & pretense!
In the west u could even live a comfortable life being a
Gardener/plumber/mechanic, but in Iran u wouldn't get much
respect if u told people u were a gardener would u?
And what if
u were not rich & couldn't even finish high school?
Boro kaar mikon,
keh kaar maleh khar ast!?
In this fight
for survival & superiority & harfeh-mardom, some would
Make it to UNI, some of these would even be good at their fields
reach the TOP, but some of them may find it hard to find a job with
good pay. Others would just get a degree/madrak. They all have to
good, for themselves & for their parents who use their kids
to show off.
Some would get into business & do well, others have to succeed
dishonesty & cheating. Thing gets even worst when they have
a few kids:
more pressure & more mouths to feed, faaty tombun mikhaad
I remember many
who returned from khaarej without a proper
education but were called mohandes! Patents calling their
own sons Mohandes! Many real mohandes used to sneer at others
saying he is not a real mohandes!
Could this be
a factor for so much doruq/lies/pretense: the expectations
& the values are NOT realistic, the rules don't make sense &
r not logical,
so people are forced to lie & pretend?
to win & not loose, this is more so in a hierarchical &
domineering culture. Take the game in IRAN102, kids can't see the
picture so they see there is chaos & everybody is cheating,
so they too
have to do coz that's the only way they can win & look good.
U r not supposed
to talk to opposite sex, but the young people
have to do it, so they have to lie about it. U can't even earn enough
to pay the rent, unless u r mohandes/doktor, so people have to lie
about it in order to survive the Chaos/mess, no?
My concern is that things are far worst now. Everything is secret
in this environment of fear & hatred! Look at this BB &
see how so many
intellectuals, many living outside Iran, don't use their real names
how much mistrust there is. It must be worst among ordinary people
I heard many
Iranian families are taking each other to court accusing
each other's fathers of stealing: my uncle owed my father, or he
from my father. All this happening after the fathers die & not
In LA I saw
Qarib afshaar giving advice to people on TV in late 80's:
dear brothers it's OK to make money from each other, but try to
less & more frequently & with honesty. He said he had heard
of kolaah Bardaari & fraud.
Once I tried
to help a friend in an Iranian concert. Nobody wanted to
sell tickets, so I was volunteered. In the middle of selling, I
by another guy, who was a 'partner' from another city, to let another
take over. I didn't want to do it, but he said he was the boss.
find my friend to give him the money, so had to hand it over to
from out of town.
Couple of weeks
later I heard from another friend that the 'boss' had
found $500 missing that night & I was the 'suspect'! I tried
to my friend that I didn't need the money & that I would not
even do this
for $5000. I knew then y nobody else wanted to sell tickets! I've
many stories about money going missing, or artists not getting paid.
And the pressure
to win & be superior doesn't help either. I heard this
guy buying an expensive car from a friend of a friend & finding
wrong about it & complaining that: how could u not say anything,
u?! He was told "mageh chesh nadaashti, mikhaasty bebini!"
The seller is a
practicing Muslim too. With all the pressure & bad economy,
there is no
room for compassion & honesty. It's a dog eat dog rat-race.
105 - Moqol, Temporary Culture
I found this
in another BB & would like to know what u guys think about it?
Could this be a factor for the "Damet garm, bikhiyaal"
Date: 01 Jul 2001
wanna know about
what factors contribute to dictatorship in Iran, or running on
shoor/hayyajaan rather than brain, obsession with crying/mourning,
MA CHEGOONEH MA SHODEEM book by Dr. SADEQ ZEEBA
KALAM. He describes in his book that after the attack of Mongols
Iranian self esteem fell
apart,, and a culture of TEMPORARYNESS replaced the culture of CONFIDENCE
future. this happened because with every government came a new land
Iranians trust in long term commitment,, based on a permanent land
In Europe new victors generally respected the ownerships of land
communist countries) and therefore their need to have laws and to
obey laws became
crucial. They understood if they broke laws they would suffer in
the long term. Hence
obeying the laws has become a part of their culture. Obviously Europeans
had to put in
place the mechanisms of producing just laws (more or less)or it
wouldn't have worked.
Since the Mongols
we (the Iranians) have learned to survive by either cooperating
whoever is in power, or by fighting whoever is in power. Those few
democratise the process of change in government have not been successful
(so far). Slow
democratic process, such as Mosadeq era, and now Khatami era, are
simply too slow for
our taste. We submit hundreds of reasons as why we need a new government,
revolution, etc,, and the process continues.
Read MA CHEGOONEH
MA SHODEEM book by Dr. SADEQ ZEEBA KALAM,
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. It sheds some light on who we are.
SEDAYE IRAN has a program with BAHRAM MOSHIRI. This gentleman
is very well versed in Iran's history. You will benefit from listening
to his shows. I have.
is we are still hang up in the past....
Basically everybody is busy fighting their opponents for
what happened to them in the past."
I know I made
a deal not to say Amen, but u've forced me to
go against my own word!
Amennn! & Bravo!
"May be the reason we like to talk about the past is because
of Dictatorship, we never had a chance to talk about those issues..."
Could this be
the Palang factor in action!
I am very much humbled with your very generous and warm word."
R u kidding
me? It's me who is humbled & honored to have 'met' u!
For years I've
avoided Iranians. For the first 10 years I hated them ALL!
Then I hated the Muslims. But I've learned hate is wrong & is
destructive & after a lot of effort mngd to find some peace
in me after
Every time I
went back into Iranians, I got burnt.
Now I've met
somebody I really appreciate & can be proud of & can
introduce to my western friends with pride: see I told u not all
iranians are terrorist & savages.
David, maybe the key is that I have no hidden agenda to Dominate
or anybody else. I don't belong to any party/hezb. I get on this
& read u'r posts & say Wow Amen! I don't get jealous coz
want to rule the world, so I really enjoy the wisdom/logic behind
what u say! That was the whole idea behind me posting my cultural
comments on this BB, to get others contribute so together 'we' could
identify the problems. I don't have the answers, so even if people
disagree with me, my EGO (which I hope I've got rid of it by now)
won't get hurt. I'm not a writer/sociologist/academic, just an
avg guy sick of suffering of my loved ones.
be arguing with u in a battle for Domination, no?
And maybe because
I know I don't have to be your Moreed & throw
myself at your feet & either love u to death or hate u to death.
I just have
a lot of appreciation for your comments & wisdom &
respect u for it. Even if I get to disagree with u in future, it
would be to disagree with the idea/suggestion & not to disagree
with 'U'. If this happens I'd respectfully say Y I disagree &
read your reply without bias & would still respect you for these
comments u've had in the past. I will not call u names & reject
totally coz u r this-hezb or that-party.
Actually I just remembered reading Zibakalaam's articles.
Many wrote to him & started with God's name & then Kh*-maaly
just a rustaa'iyeh bisavaad & u r my ostaad & then gradually
the point that I think what u said is full of sh-t. This is done
very politely but it's like a game of chaaplusy & end up stabbing
the 'enemy' in the back with a traditional-knife & end up teaching
him a lesson & feeling triumphant. It's not a WAR, it's just
one is his letter to beloved VF. Too much emphasis on
cosmetics & status & 'face'/aaberu/qeyrat & laqab (jenaabeh
blah blah blah). What do u think about this David?
" Socio- psychologically we are suffering from our traumatic
that have happened to us in the past."
And at a personal
level, God knows how many times I've woken up in a
sweat thinking about the unnecessary suffering of myself & my
ones in the past, all caused by the cultural Dark Spots!
Let me give u an example:
I was gona write this in another post, but I say it now.
In Grade 7-8, the teacher who taught Arabic was a child molester
Bacheh baaz. I know, I know Iranians are too sharif, but we did
have one! I'm very grateful/lucky that he didn't get me, but he
one of my friends. It was late in summer & I met my friend on
street & he looked very sad. He told me that he had tajdidi
& didn't pass & that the teacher had asked him to go to
his house if
he wanted to pass. My friend was much older than me, so he must
failed couple of years of school BEFORE 9'th grade! God knows how
times I think about him, which used to fill me with savage ANGER!
I still get angry, but now I think maybe he too was a victim in
I think about
so many OLDer kids in primary school, how could kids
fail the God damned primary school? It angers me so much when I
think how it
must have messed up their whole lives! And this was a 'private'
I've only recently
read about ZibaaKallaam, so don't know him much.
It seems he's
having second thoughts on the big-Revulsion & he is
now talking about Goftemaneh-maddani & not enqelaabi(black &
white; death to anyone who says otherwise; yes/no dead/alive
The guy brags
about being into Islamic-R before anybody else was,
joins the mob & after all the killing & WAR & corruption,
it's not for him & 'politics/Ego/corruption' has taken over,
should go back to 'study', so goes back to UK for 6 years to study
sociology (IIRC?) & his Thesis was Islamic-Republic !
(Y leave heaven, Y not study in the ultimate heavenly society?)
Even he seems
out of favor with IRI now & has to defend that he
believes in Islam! (was even called by Khalkhaali a traitor!)
He seems to
say we should learn from history, yet hasn't learned that
religion & politics don't mix! West went through religious-fanaticisms
& learned to pull out, but we have to do it ourselves &
learn the hard
way?! And did NOT know that revolutions are tickets to crime &
murder & butchery & result in hate-cycle & corruptions.
Did he believe
in Goftemaaneh-Maddani in his revolutionary days? Next
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