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Iranology: Iran 101 - Iran 110 (Courses on Real Iranian Culture!) by Admzad Part One Part Two Iranology Part Two Iran106- Khaaeh Maali Iran107- sex Iran108- din, religion Iran109- future of KIR Iran110- tall poppy syndrome Iran106- Khaaeh Maali IRAN 106 - Khaaeh Maali , Chaaplusi , Bu* 1- Another feature of Iranian culture IMO is Axx-kissing or Khaaeh Maali(KM) or chaaplusi. Of course this is Global & very common in the west too. In fact many say you can't get far into management without it. But in Iran it has a different flavor which is somehow different. Eg. The ones that I've seen in the west don't usually turn back & sneer & call the guy names: jerk or bisharaf. When I did my Sarbaazi/Military-service 30 years ago, there was this little guy who was a real Baazaari. He constantly talked about money, his money making deals & Mahhassti & Haayedeh. He always sang many of their songs, but did his prayers & Fasted in Moharram. He didn't just sing, he did Eshveh/Qamzeh with the eyes & the eyebrows & biting his lips: the works/LOT & going all the way! He was put in a good position with paartibaazi, which he always bragged about. So not only you cheat & Paartibaazi, but you show it off to others to make yourself 'superior' (Patriarchy complex?! Another Feature?). He was extremely good in the art of KM, always jumping for the jennaab-sarhang or the sargruhbaan. But in private he would sneer at them & joke about them. Come to think of it he was always Sneering at everybody & bragging. Always trying to find Haamiyaan: "you stick with me & I look after you", "I got connections" (Godfather complex?! Another Feature?) In the first 3 months of the service, when they tried to Break you, people (Javaanaaneh Iruni) did 'everything' to get favors from the Sargruhbaan (who also were doing their forced service) & to become Mobser (deputy)! The Mobsers would walk around as if they owned the place & looked down at others. And of course others would do KM for the Mobser & the Sargruhbaan & the jenaab Sarvaan! I've given some examples of KM in Sarbaazi, but I hope nobody blames Shah for this. I'm sure it must be everywhere, otherwise there wouldn't be a word for it. My points were not about Artesh/Army, but Iranian culture. I remember many times people doing panbeh zir baqal & calling the paasebun 'jenaab sarvaan' & sneer & call them names after they left. The other place I've sensed this KM or Chaaplusi is when people write against somebody else's article to prove them wrong & themselves right or superior. So they read an article & decide it is rubbish, so write an article to beat the enemy. They start with God's name & then Kh-maali that I'm just a rustaa'iyeh bisavaad & u r my ostaad & then gradually get to the point that I think what u said is full of sh-t. This is done very politely but it's like a game of chaaplusi, but it ends up stabbing the the 'enemy' in the back with a traditional-knife & teaching him a lesson & feeling triumphant. And of course to push the knife to the heart, they use a few old & sho'aari poems from powerful poets that nobody could say anything bad about, as if saying "there, take this! Check mate!". I see some kind of bitchiness in it, some form of admirable "peder sukhtegi" which was associated with many Esfahaani jokes: Be ware, don't mess with me, I'm too kalak/zebel! Too much emphasis on cosmetics & status & 'face'/aaberu/Qeyrat & laqab: jenaabeh hazrateh aagaayeh doktor blah blah blah, which I think was far worst in the old days. Why all this beating around the bush? Is it like showing off one's weapons? Why not go right to the point? Why all this pretense for being small/kuchak & then proving yourself Superior at he end? Domination is the name of the game, but at the same time they pretend to be kuchak & humble?! 2- An Iranian friend returned from a visit to Iran & told me it was strange: everywhere he went they knew he was from 'khaarej' & would ask him "aaqaa shomaa khaarej zendegi mikonid?". So he asked them how they Could tell & was told: - Avvalan shomaa badanetun bu nemideh - saaniyan shomaa mo'addab hastid (they meeant that he wouldn't shout or jump the line/queue) Years ago I went to an Azerbayjani music concert & ended up sitting next To an Haji from turkey who had a very bad body odor. I discretely held a tissue in front of my nose for more than 1.5 hours. He talked to me & made things worst coz I could smell garlic too. I thought about the past going to dahaats & thinking this must be like catching a crowded bus in many small towns in Iran. Actually I've experienced BO in the west too. Some French People don't take showers in summer that often. Years a ago, one of the cleaners in the office had such a bad BO, that some people left the toilet when he came in. I used to feel sorry for his kids. An Indian friend, living in west for 10 years, once told me how unhappy he was about BO being a feature of India too. I can understand it in Iran, where many don't have bath/shower at home, but the French?! A British friend once told me "that's y they invented strong perfumes"! So I don't think Iran has a monopoly on this. Speaking of perfumes, my grand mother used to be crazy about strong, I mean Xs-trong folks(!), cheap perfumes that u could buy in small towns in small bottles & put some on her jaa namaaz (? Not sure about the name, the cloth that u wrapped tasbih & mohr in). She also kept rose petals in it, which she called goleh mohammadi, which she also made golaab from. U could smell the guy who sold the stuff from 10 meters away! Most of his customers were little old ladies & some old haajaaqaa. Every time I bought her some, coz she had asked me to, she would smell it & say bah bah & put some on & whisper salavaat quietly. Gush, Iranian culture, like many other cultures, has a few stains in it, but it's a GOLD mine too. Anybody remember the old Dehkhodaa (I think?), who had a show on the radio talking about traditions & customs? What happened to all his works/research? Back to top Iran107- sex IRAN 107 - SEX 1- Boys learned that sex was filthy & associated it with insult. I remember seeing extremely filthy & imaginative Fohsh as graffiti in school toilets. Some boys used to use extremely Filthy Fohsh. The filthier, the more laat & Macho they thought they looked. All about sex organs doing insult to you & the females in your family. Some would even duel with Fohsh. They also learned to kiss-&-tell coz they didn't learn to form relationship with girls. They often used the word for female genital to refer to beautiful girls: ajab kiyeh! Many slept with prostitutes, even when they were in their 30's & still single. Many did this even after they got married(this is very common in the west too). When they got married they turned their wives into a sacred fortress: u don't go out, u don't talk to other men, u don't laugh in public. Could a major factor for this be that they know how filthy other men would be looking at their wives? I don't remember seeing men going for walks with their wives in small towns. Wife stayed home, while the king went out to do manly things & do business to make money. Man was called aaqaa & woman was called khaanum & before u it they were haajaaqa & haaj khaanum. 2- Early (years 10-xx) Muslim men raped any girls/women they fancied. So they had to draw a line & mark their own women as off limit. Is this why Muslim women have to have Islamic cover/hejaab & stay away from other men? 3- I remember hearing a lot about Hoseyn tuti in primary school. He was supposed to be a bacheh baaz. Laat kids used to use him to scare others or mock them: Yeh I saw u with Hoseyn tuti, hoseyn tuti was looking for u, etc. What a culture !? 4- In Grade 7-8, the teacher who taught Arabic was a child molester Bacheh baaz. I know, I know Iranians are too sharif, but we did have one! I'm very grateful/lucky that he didn't get me, but he got one of my friends. It was late in summer & I met my friend on the street & he looked very sad. He told me that he had tajdidi in Arabic & didn't pass & that the teacher had asked him to go to his house if he wanted to pass. My friend was much older than me, so he must have failed couple of years of school BEFORE 9'th grade! God knows how many times I think about him, which used to fill me with savage ANGER! Now I still get angry, but I think maybe he too was a victim in his own childhood & this makes me SAD! 5- There was a hiq school next to American school in Tehran(Zhaaleh). At close time, many kids would run out shouting & yelling. I remember many of the young boys used to go & hang around the cars so that they could watch the American girls getting into the cars with their short skirts. Their body language was very loud. Then they would leave & talk to teach other excitedly & exaggerate "taa tosham didam!" 6- One of my male cousins was overweight (chaaq with Iranian std). His breasts were big for a young boy, coz he was just overweight. Too many times I saw a line formed on the beach in the north by young shomaali boys just staring & pointing fingers & laughing hysterically. My poor cousin often covered his breasts With his hands. It used to make me angry. Come to think of it laughing at 'others' was a favorite pastime for many shomaali people (specially the uneducated ones). Is this a feature in Iran? U must fit the norm, or u'd be laughed at (& if u persist & u r too different, u'd be beaten up(kotak) to teach u a lesson!). 7- I remember many young boys from small towns talking about maadiyun (mare) & bragging about having sex with them & good it was. Their whole face would light up when they talked about this & carried on & on. This I found absolutely shocking, being a big-city boy & having had a sheltered life. Considering that many books have been written by some of the major olamaayeh dini about this subject, describing when & how it is OK to do it, this must be an important source of 'entertainment' in small towns/villages. 8- In the first 3 months of my sarbaazi in Tehran, there was a small guy who looked very young. He was very childish. Soon couple of bullies started showing special attention to him & joke with him. I knew one of the bullies who looked at the poor kid as it was customary to look at sexy girls in those days (hungry wolf looking at the young lamb?). There were 100 of us sleeping in one part of the khaabgaah. The kid always hang around one of the mobsers, or was it the mobser who hang around the kid. This used to really piss me off. I did not spend any time with the kid so I can't tell if he was gay or not. 9- In the second 3 months of Sarbaazi, I moved to an small town. Here a few of the local boys started feeling superior/arrogant & went around bullying others. I was very sad & withdrawn at that time & before u know it the head bully started picking on me & joking with me. Before u know it he was calling me khoshgeleh. One of the local guys, by the name of Sahloddin noticed this & was very sympathetic. He was a very honest, kind & devout Muslim (hard as it may seem these days, but such people did exist, but they were in minority IMO). He told me how bad things could get in small towns with big bullies ruling & doing anything(he had sex in mind) they could get away with). Finally I thought enough was enough & started talking to the big bully, but he wasn't a talking man. So I had to have a fight with him in front of everybody to prove that I was not weak. I was called into jenaab sarvaan's office, who was a reasonable man & I told him what happened. The bully stayed away from me after that, but the sarguruhbaan complained to me that "y didn't u come to me?". 10- I did some work in an office once in Iran. I remember hearing all about female genitals & what the old guys in the office did to them in their younger days. With the kolfat, with dokhtar dahaati, etc. But they never ever mentioned their wives. Come moharram, they would fast & become spiritual & holy! 11- A female friend once cried for me coz her X-boyfriend, who slept with her for years, had dumped her saying he would never marry a non-virgin. They were both UNI students too. 12- Once somebody told me about how he had sex with this girl who was in love with him. Then he forced her to have sex with his friends too. He had to beat her up to force her, coz she didn't want to do it. He seemed proud of himself telling me all this. One woman recently wrote a letter to Iranian.com saying she was raped at 2 (IIRC)! 13- God knows how many kolfats were raped by pesar-arbaab. I have personally heard from people who said, in their sarbaazi (sepaahi) days, they used to chase after dokhtar dehaati & grab them & have sex with them (the unnatural way coz they had a heart). 14- Once a married Iranian man in his 40's told me about having embarrassing dreams about young boys! 15- Years ago, Fereydun Farrokhzaad had a concert, where one of the Sharif men angosht kard to FF & said something rakik. A friend, who knew FF, told me he went to see FF back stage & found him crying his eyes out saying "amaan az in mardom". He must have been proud to be singing to his dear ham mihanaan in qorbat up to that moment? 16- And of course that abar mardeh va shaa'ere por gohar, whose name I forgot, who is very popular when the time is right, who has a book of poetry like: "gar khoshgelaki maraa begaaad , az Karn u maraa khosh aayad" 17- Many Iranian men marry after they are 38, when the ambition is the same as before, but NOT the ability. When, finally, the brain at the top, if any(!), starts to run the body & soul. But many marry very young girls under 22, so when they are 50 the wife could be 30. This could lead to a lot of problems even in Iran. I know a few cases in Khaarej where, the family pressures being less than Iran, the woman was lead to finding young lovers in secret. It could lead to Dishonesty, guilt, depression & regret/hasrat. Many could end up taking refuge in religion: taarekeh donyaa. It can often lead to many young widows wearing black for the rest of their lives. It could be very hard on the man too & it could lead to anger, depression & addiction to drugs/alcohol. Wife cheating on the husband could be devastating for an Iranian man: it would break their back. Last but not least, IMO this makes it very hard for a real partnership of minds & close friendship. 18- Once I found out that one of my male friends was gay. This really shocked me & I tried to encourage him to find a girlfriend, but it was too late. He was very sensitive & emotional. He was raised by his mother & had no brothers or sisters. I remember one or 2 evaa khaahar in small towns, who used to talk & laugh all the times & were often laughed at. I know 2 guys who went to mixed sex school (yes if u were rich enough, u could do it) and turned out Gay. One used to tell dirty jokes in parties & dance in very girly/female way. The word for 'gay' was not 'happy/cheerful', but often used for insult. 19- There was a Haaji in a small town who had a small shop selling porcelain dishes. He was about 50 & had 2 wives. Many of his customers were women buying dishes for new brides to be. He never looked at the women when talking to them & looked at the ground instead. He had a reputation for being a lady's man & was once caught in a public women bath with a young woman. 20- I remember many Laat men, in the shops or outside, who used to watch women all day & say filthy matalak to them. They were often the leaders in the sineh zani or dasteh in Ashuraa. 21- Many young boys used to do 'dare' & finger school girls on streets & run away. The boys would then join their friends, laugh hysterically & brag about it. The girls used to swear at them "gom sho khaak bar sareh hammaal". Then the girls, who always walked in groups, would talk & giggle among each other. 22- Some of the older boys were into eshq & would often have a flower to give to the girl, they had their eyes on, around the corner from the girl school. They didn't have good grades & often sang songs by Gugush/Dariyush. They paid a lot of attention to their hair cut & their clothes. Many boys used to hang around Girl schools for dokhtar baazi. 23- Once in my childhood I was picked on by a bully kid in an small town. He used the most filthy Fohsh & wanted to fight with me (a big city boy). I got scared & went to my Dad crying. My dad had a talk with the father of that kid. 24- In my childhood, many times me & my male cousins got special/dirty looks from Laat men on streets. Come to think of it, I feel sorry for the girls growing up in Iran being the target of so much insult/filth & dirty looks. 25- All the jokes about Qazvin! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a very fascinating window into the Goh culture of Miran: http://www.iranian.com/Anyway/2004/December/omar.html Once u get over it being 'funny', try to THINK deeper into what this represents. Those who know about Miranian laat-baazi know exactly where this is coming from. It could be said that this is making fun of rozeh-khuni, but 1 can learn a lot from this, like: 1- Lack of respect for their own religion, when the mood is right. (same people who would do sineh-zani would drink & get drunk & do absolutely any 'sin' imaginable) All the laat gang members in Tehran used to be at the head of the rozeh-khuni. 2- Total Lack of respect for women! 3- Women are there for men to have SEX with, in the most disrespectful & insulting way imaginable. 4- Miranian men are supposed to be Fing machines to F* anything that moves or doesn't. 5- The bigger the dick, the better the man! 6- Fing is the absolute way to insult & dominate others. 7- There is NO ROOM for women among men in Miran. Women r either whores to be gang-raped in the most insulting way, or be hidden in the back room to clean up after kids. How else would u explain such rude/savage-insulting behavior among men when they have fun? Can u imagine such songs being done in a 'family party'? Or among men who have their wives & girl friends in the party? I can't. Such things could happen only in bachelor drinking parties. 8- Real men r laat & bokon. The best compliment to a real man is to call him khar-kon! 9- What kind of culture would regard 'mothers' as whores to be insulted in the most filthy ways? I could go on & on, but am not in the mood for it now ... U may also want to read this: http://www.iranian.com/Anyway/2005/January/maha2.html I haven't read all of it, but it has some interesting points in it. Is it any wonder that holy-clergy-men often tend to do KKeshy by legalizing Siqeh? OK, even in the west u can find many filthy priests, but the SHIiT Islam has been far worst in this regard. Not only the SHIiT mullahs gave rise to prostitution, but they actually made money out of it. They've also been extremely filthy in their attitude & dealing with women, young girls, young boys & even animals. In fact this is a feature of the culture, but holy men r supposed to guide men to the right path, no? Not only they failed, but r responsible for complete removal of any form of LOGIC from the Goh culture of Miran. Can such pee-pole have the-mock-rat-see over night? No Fing chance! What the KKOL78 were thinking of? v can't blame the old regime for this filth, coz not only it didn't go away after 25 years of the holy KIR regime run by the most holy of holies, it is now far worst than ever! Back to top Iran108- din, religion* IRAN 108 - Din, Religion Kudakaaneh aziz qesseyeh emruzeh maa din ast. Yeki bud hich kas nabud qeyr az Khodaa ! After 4000 years of sending many prophets to so many nations in so many languages, God thought that he had made a mistake & that people were confused as to what religion they should worship him with. So he sent the last one, Mohammad, to clear things out. First he told M to be nice to people of other religions, but after 10 years he got angry & told M to 'kill them all', the very same people who had obeyed him by following his previous prophets! This anger came from knowing subconsciously that it was a mistake to kill his previous 'children' who believed in him, but there was no choice & he had to be tough. But God didn't say in Quran who should take over from M, or maybe he wasn't sure yet. Also God realized that telling M to kill & rape all the non-Muslims was a mistake. So he 'pushed' some Iranians to follow Ali & his sons one after each other & so Shi'eh Islam was created. He tried telling these Imams to teach Muslims to be kinder to non-Muslims if they behaved properly (no need to rape & kill all the times). But this having all-knowing all-powerful Imams couldn't go on forever, coz what's the point of M being the last prophet, if all these Imams would come after him? So he decided to have Imam Zaman to be the last Imam & a messiah. Messiah was used by him before, but God couldn't go & change Quran coz M was in heaven. After all this, God became tired & took a nap. He woke up to find out that Shi'eh had not taken over the whole world. God realized that it was taking too long, so he looked for an action man who was full of hate & voila he found Khomeini. He wanted a huge-jump-forward by being 'backward' to speed up the coming of Imam Zaman (see Naapahlavi for Y this is forward). So he came up with KIR (Khomeini's Islamic Regime). After a while Khomeini became so powerful that many worshiped him & turned him into a Saint Imam. So he had to be sent to heaven. But God realized that this KIR was another big mistake: -Religion & politics don't mix -People will get tired of hate & killing -Educated westerners won't follow KIR -KIR did too much damage & turned off manyy Iranians from Islam -KIR can't be the ruling party (Governmentt) for long, coz Imam Zaman will come when the ruler is corrupt, but the Government-of-God can't be corrupt, so KIR can't be on top for long! But Iranians are so divided that they can NOT unite to get rid of KIR. And even if KIR is removed, Shi'eh is gona go underground saying that 'nazaashtand', blaming the British paying the corrupt Akhunds to ruin KIR/Islam. They r gona bring up their kids with hate & teach them to be suicide-bombers to sabotage & kill whoever comes to replace KIR for ever to keep the fire of Islam burning forever! But God's biggest mistake was that he rushed things! If he had taken the time to look into future, as an all-mighty all-knowing God could, he'd have seen that eventually some damned Scientists would find out that: -the earth isn't flat -Sun doesn't rotate around earth -Earth was created 4000 Million years ago,, not 4000 years ago -Dinosaurs & many other animals were creatted way before man was created - "I cannot persuade myself that a beneficcent and omnipotent God would have designedly created parasitic wasps with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars." - "I do not think it is necessary to belieeve that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them." - "Is man one of God's blunders? Or is Godd one of man's blunders?" - "The most ridiculous concept ever perpettrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery." - "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and calll to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear". - "Scientific views end in awe and mysteryy, lost at the edge in uncertainty, but they appear to be so deep and so impressive that the theory that it is all arranged as a stage for God to watch man's struggle for good and evil seems inadequate." - "[I believe in] more of a pantheistic good--a sense of wonder and mystery about the universe--certainly not a meddling God who lets millions die of starvation around the world, but moves my lost keys to the desk after I pray." Also, people would find it strange that Quran doesn't mention a Messiah (Imam Zaman), coz such a major feature of a any religion must be in the holy book! God must have known that Communication/information is the KEY. So I don't understand Y God didn't give a monitor/TV to each nation from day one to broadcast the book-of-God (the N-commandments) in the original language that Adam/Eve spoke) & give a copy of this book (written on metal pages to last for centuries) to each nation. This would have saved so much trouble: -Hundreds of different religions would nott have been invented, each causing so much killing & blood shed -Hundreds of different languages would nott have been invented & people all over the world, speaking the same language, would have understood each other better & wouldn't have gone to wars all the times to kill each other. -No need for God to send so many Prophets to so many nations -No need for some Prophets killing people of the previous Prophets But this is not for us to question bachehaayeh aziz, coz GOD moves in mysterious ways! Baalaa raftim aab bud, paa'in umadim maast bud, qesseyeh maa raast bud. Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" ===================================================== The other things I don't understand are the issue of Language, race & Incest. 1- God spoke to Aadam & Havvaa, so they must've had a language, which must've been the Original language or God's Language (GL1), and it must've been perfect, being God's language. So their Children & grand children must've spoken GL1 for many generations. But then Y are there hundreds of different languages today? I can understand a few words being changed & new accents developed over time, but Y would people let go of a perfect language & go invent so many languages from scratch?!! And by doing this cause so many problems/wars due to language barriers & miscommunication. Another mistake? And to make things worst, God ended up sending so many Prophets to different nations, all speaking different languages & causing so much confusions & Wars & bloodshed. 2- Y are there so many different types/Races of humans(black, white, red, yellow, short, tall, round eye, almond eye, …)? I mean Adam & Eve must've been perfect in every details, being created by God. So I can understand that over time, some could be more tanned than others, but Y some should end up having dark black skins with totally different features (Eyes, nose, hair, …)? Surely, this must've been caused by God, but then Y change something that was perfect? But how did this happen? God tried to experiment & a baby was born with dark-black skin from white parents? Didn't this shock the hell out of them? Also, Y should some animals have hundreds of totally different species? For example, Y should there be hundreds of different types of frogs? Surely they were not created all at the same time with Adam & Eve? I mean Noah could've never built a boat big enough to fit a pair of all these species. Besides, all these species don't exist in the same place, so does this mean that the big flood didn't happen in Australia/America? But then again all the land mass used to be in one big chunk, but that was millions of years ago & not 4000 years ago at the time of Adam/Eve! Surely God wouldn't allow 'evolution' to mess up his 'creation'! But then Y is it so then? 3- Almost all religions forbid sex between bothers & sisters, fathers & daughters, and mothers & sons. But this is what must have happened, coz humans were created from Adam & Eve. It has also been proven by science that incest is wrong & results in birth defects. Then Y didn't God create 2 or more pairs of humans & forbid them to have incest from day one, rather than forcing them to do it & then telling them later that it is a Sin? ===================================================== On the issue of SEX in Heaven: 1- How come GOD would not offer sex as an incentive in his previous religions, preached by his previous Prophets whom are also regarded as Prophets in Islam? I mean how come Jewish & Christians men don’t get young virgins in heaven, but Muslims do? 2- Where do these young virgins come from? a- Does God create them from nothing again, or he has to grab a rib/part from every man? b- Are they the young virgins who died & now have gone to heaven? c- If b, this is not fair, coz in heaven nobody is supposed to do any work, no? U just have to lie down want/wish things & u’d get them. d- Are they the dead old women who now appear as young virgins, like they used to be? e- If d, do they still have all their memories? If so, then they r not real innocent ‘Virgins’, r they? f- If d, this is not fair (see c above). g- if d, then there is something for women: they all turn into Virgin sex-slaves for other men! But this can be shucking for most women who got there by namaaz/ruzeh & had a sheltered life, no? Surely they could not be sex-slaves in full view of all their brothers/fathers?! Surely no fair/kind God would do this. h- If b/d , then how come sex is bad (a sin) now, but OK in heaven? i- If a, then how come it’s OK for the new generation (the ‘improved’ version?) of women to have free-sex? j- Is there a minimum age? I mean what if some Mullahs, which I’m sure there r some , want 5 yo girls? 3- What age would the men appear in heaven? I mean, when a 80 yo man dies, what age he would be when he goes to heaven, 80 or 20? a- if 80, then what good would having a young virgin be to him?! b- Do they get to choose what age they appear as? c- If they appear young, then most of their family, who may get to heaven, may not even recognize them?! d- I’m assuming that people don’t age in Heaven, coz otherwise it won't be that good! 4- what happens for Gay men? Do they all go to hell, even if they were extremely kind & did nobody any harms? 5- do the Akhund/Mullahs get to choose the best looking ones & the youngest ones? 6- If anything u wish would happen, then what if some Mullahs would want young boys? After all the deal was that u get anything u desire, right? a- Where would these young boys come from then? b- Or is it that those Mullahs would go to hell? How could God send his servants to hell? c- But what if some Mullahs controlled themselves & went to heaven, but now they don’t have to control themselves & can get anything they want? Having had so many Virgins, now they want a change. 7- What if some men would prefer their neighbors Virgins? a- Do they have to fight for it then? b- Wouldn’t this cause trouble in paradise? Specially if they are allowed to drink WINE! Perhaps God have to create new rules for good/evil & create a new heaven/hell & punishment/reward rules? And this could go on in the new heaven too, so it will have to go on forever?! c- But then they would not be Virgins any more, would they?! So they have to ask for them to be made Virgins again. Gush these girls would forever be changed to virgins back & forth! 8- Wouldn’t men want new young Virgins every month? a- They will sure get tired of the old Virgins soon, no? b- Can they ask for more? After all, they can have anything they want, right? c- Wouldn’t the old virgins get bored from not getting any ‘attention’? Wouldn’t they get jealous & fight among each other? How would God get them to behave? (new heaven/hell & new rules again?) d- where would these new & improved Virgins come from? Would God swap the Virgins around & change them back to virgins every time, or create new ones? If create new ones, then what would happen to the old ones? 9- Wouldn’t some men feel uncomfortable having sex with their virgins all day in front of their family (father/mother, Grand father/mother, brothers & sisters)? I take it most people would want to be with their own family, right? a- How far back can they go & recognize their family? I mean most people wouldn’t know how their father(-2) looked like, but their father could. So u may get many generations all hanging around each other: u see that guy over there, having sex with those young virgins, he is my great(9) grand father! b- And all the great grand mothers would be hanging around too seeing all the orgies?! 10- What if some men/Mullahs want to have sex with young Virgin Animals for a change?! Some maybe even used to it, after all some of their religious books, written by holy saints, say it’s OK, no? Well the deal was to get anything they wanted right? 11- Do these girls get pregnant in heaven? This opens a new big can of worms! 12- Not everybody would go to heaven, so when people can't find their relatives, they'd assume they'd gone to hell. How could people enjoy having orgies with virgins when they know their loved ones r suffering being burnt in Hell every minute of every day?! 13- What happens to people who died before knowing what sex was? If they appear as children, then can't enjoy Sex in heaven. They wouldn't know how being adults would be like, so they wouldn’t wish it. And even If they chose to be adults, they’d have mind of a child & body of an adult, which would cause a lot problems. 14- What is there in heaven for women? How come women don’t get young boys/men in heaven? ===================================================== 1 thing that absolutely amazes me is that having blindly accepted the reasons/principles/supposed-history, mostly in their childhood, people never question the details, like how the hell could anybody live for 180 or 900 years (a few 'prophets' did way back). Some pee-pole then do absolutely ANYTHING, I mean Kill/rape/steal/lie/..., but then talk/pray to their "personal God" & make deals with him that: - I'm sorry, Goh Khordam, - pls forgive me, I do this for u, I do thhat for u to make up - crying & groveling - then feeling good from the crying & grovveling & feeling 'holy' - even bragging for reaching such 'holinesss' They somehow think that they were forgiven, as if they never did those things & just go on living happily feeling "God" is behind them, coz they got this 'deal' going on here, until they do another CRIME. But then they just make another deal .... This all happens in their little minds, forever living like little RATs on drugs ... If they had any BRAIN, they would stand-back & THINK & would reject all the SHIT they were fed in their childhood. Of course, the clergy make sure their pee-pole never wake up & forever try to drug them by rubbish & FEAR to keep them fully under CONTROL ... Not to mention what idiots these clergy have to be. But the worst part is that all tru history a lot of absolutely FILTHY CRIMINALS mngd to become top clergies & ruled in filth & power in God's own name. But God tru his inaction, has proved that there is no GOD as we've been told. The scary part is that humans R designed for SIN. Take a young man, he can never sleep without having major erection. Even if he is not forced to do something about it, his body will & 1 way or another he's done major SIN. So he is forced into making deals with his personal slave-God all the times & living a double life. The degree of this double life depends on how much SHIT he gets fed in his childhood. Imagine a 3 yo kid playing with a doll & talking to it & making up stories, living in his own fantasy, completely unaware of the real world around him. But this would make him feel good. Now imagine him getting old & giving lecture to other kids how to talk to their dolls & how it would make them feel good & help them not to be scared of dark. Then feeling more power, he starts telling kids how they will suffer if they didn't talk to the dolls & ...., but kids may laugh at him, so he has to scare them & raise the Doll's profile that how HE will punish them & will burn them in hell ... Then he sees that the more powerful the Doll, the more power he'd have on other kids & more powerful he'd be. So gradually in their ceremonies things get out of hand & all sort of hormones kick in & the next thing u know they make sacrifices in temples & they have have all sort of holly powerful clergies & punishment ... Now any kid who doesn't worship Dolls will have to be stoned. But if a new kid comes to this city from another part of the planet, who used to talk to pet fish, he'd find these kids very stupid & may end up building another temple to talk to fish. The more stupid the clergy, the more stupid his followers would become & the more stupid his 'religion' would be. =========================================================== As an example of "blindly accepted the reasons/principles/supposed-history" consider this: 1- "Abraham doesn't appear as a 'messianic' leader who publicly preached a new creed. It is even unlikely that monotheism was Abraham's original idea. There is no reference to a time when Abraham isolated himself from his clan or worldly responsibilities." U can't find a religion unless u go out & preach it & Abraham didn't. 2- Abraham was 100, when isaac was borne; Abraham died at 177; isaac died aged 180; jacob died at 147; Methuselah died aged 969! I bet most pee-pole don't even know this. I sure never knew this. U just must be kidding, over 900 years old?! Maybe he was a robot! 3- Abraham goes to Egypt, but fears that beauty of his wife sarah could be a threat to his life, so he passes her off as his sister. Abraham left Egypt well rewarded by Pharaoh, most likely for Sarah's services! Abraham also sold Sarah to king Abimelech, passing her off as his sister again. People r saying "it is not inconceivable that Sarah produced a child for Amenhotep I, so semitic genes entered the Amenhotep family line." If this is not KKeshy, what is?! 4- Abraham meets a pagan king & both he & the king use the term 'El Elyon' (god most high)! This phrase was very common in Egypt for the supreme deity. Abraham didn't know God by the name or characteristics that were later 'revealed' to Moses. This is shocking to me, y didn't God didn't tell Abraham that his name was YHWH (YaHWeh)? Also EL was a 'pagan' God! 5- Moses was brought up as an Egyptian prince, brought up as the son of pharaoh's daughter. He was not even circumcised & didn't speak hebrew. circumcision was long practiced in Egypt, but was not mandatory. The egyptian name given to Moses was 'tisithen' & this name preserves the name of 'Aten', which was the name of Akhenaten God. 6- Moses couldn't speak hebrew, so God appoints Aaron, his biblical 'brother', to be his spokesman! Then y select him as prophet? Surely, God could've made him speak Hebrew in 1 second?! 7- Moses takes the jews out of Egypt & spends 40 days on the mountain receiving 10 commandments written on 2 tablet of stones. Meanwhile some of his followers make a golden calf to worship. When moses goes down & sees it, he gets so angry that he broke the 2 tablets, destroyed the idol & had 3000 offenders put to the sword! Moses goes back to the mountain for another 40 days to get another copy of the 2 tablets. Hebrew was not invented at that time! The tablets must've been in egyptian hieroglyphs. a- y didn't God use metal that would last for centuries? b- how could believers in 1 God go & worship a statue of a Cow, while their prophet was talking to God?! These people have had many prophets for centuries! c- u must be kidding, 3000 put to death? He must've been 'biblical brother' of KK Khomeini! d- y didn't God give the 10 Commands to the previous prophets? I mean he only 'told' Abraham that Jews must cut their dudul as their part of the deal with God. Surely God doesn't change in time, so He should've set out all the rules in the beginning, no?! e- Moses must've tried all sort of 'miracles' to convince the Jews that he was holy, then how come they start worshiping an Idol, the minute he goes up the mountain?! 8- Y should God's name change : EL, YAHWEH, ..., Allah? I don't mean names that reflect his character, like karim. I remember once somebody bragging to me that Allah had 99 names. I bet many Jews in Arabia used to criticize Islam by saying that u'r God didn't send Moses, coz 'our book' doesn't even mention Allah! Could this be y the argument that Allah had 99 names was created? If the God had clearly said that His name was YahWeH (YHWH), then since time doesn't apply to God, then God would not change his name after a few century. So Allah can't be the same God as YaHWeH. 8.a- Mohammad's father name was Abdollah, which means worshiper or salve of Allah. This is proof that Allah was one of the Gods in Arabia before Islam. So Mohammad must've just used the name Allah for his God so it would be easier to convert people to his religion. 9- I always thought that the Jews invented circumcision, but doesn't look like it. "to trace back to the roots of why circumcision was practiced at all in egypt, we need to look at the ancient creation stories of egypt, to the papyrus of Ani, written during the 18 dynasty, in the 14 century BCE. In it we find the Re, the creator God, initiated the process of bringing other beings into existence: -It is the blood that descended from the pphallus of Re -After he proceeded to circumcise himself,, -And these gods are those who came into beeing after him. This was the myth of how Re, or Ra, brought other gods into existence, from the droplets of blood which came forth." jallalkhaaleq! So it seems there could be hope after the fall of KIR in Miran?! Sure, it will be bloody, but the blood could create LIFE, IFF the Masters give their 'blessing'. =========================================================== The whole start of Christianity was a big MESS, which is NOT how a perfect creator of the world would work! The all knowing creator should've seen all this & made sure everything went smoothly, but didn't. Even Isaac Assimov knew this & in his book Foundation, he came up with a design so that the 'system' would work for the benefit of mankind, in spite of human stupidity. How could the creator not see it coming & leave his religion to 'chance', guess work & future rejection? Y should he change His mind & change the rules every time a different 'prophet' came along? Y should each group of HIS followers end up hating other groups of HIS followers, who follow a different ‘religion’ which HE sent?! OK, God didn’t know any better & was experimenting, but surely HE must’ve learned quickly & should’ve got it right after the first 200 years; but the whole thing is still a big mess, after 4000 years! Look at some of the mess: 1- There is too much controversy on Jesus death & y he should say “y have u abandoned me?” if this was all a plan that he knew. Some even believe he was GOD, then y should God say "y have u abandoned me"? 2- St Paul was originally a hard core Jew called Saul, who used to attack the followers of Jesus, after Jesus was crucified. Then he was traveling to organize more oppositions & saw a 'light' saying 'y r u prosecuting me' & he thought this was Jesus (even though he'd never met Jesus). Then he converts & follows/preaches Christianity. But Christianity was NOT properly defined & its followers didn’t know the rules & after J was crucified, there had to be a lot of guess works. This doesn’t make sense to me at all. Who was the prophet? Y choose a prophet & have him killed, then choose many other people to deliver the message (& have them being called ‘saints’)? Y choose a hostile Jew & have him kill other Christians, then convert him?! Y leave it to people, many of whom uneducated, to decide how they should pray? Surely the Creator would make it very clear what rules people should follow. 3- Paul was educated & was a major factor in spread of Christianity. There were debates that Christians should circumcise & eat kosher food, but didn't happen. Y not. If God's only rule for Abraham was circumcision, which was followed for centuries, y should it change all of a sudden(Christ), then change back again(Islam)?! u shall cut, now u don't have, now u have to?! 4- There were too many groups in the early days, each with its own Gospel & rules & beliefs. Some were very mystic. It was so bad that the original church had to declare others as heretic! 5- Irenaeus, one of the church fathers, declared that only the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke & John constitute the whole gospel, which he called the 'four formed gospels'. He declared "it is not possible that there can be either more or fewer than four" for "just as there are 4 regions of the universe & 4 principal winds", the church itself requires "only 4 pillars". Irenaeus believed that John alone understood who Jesus really was - God in human form! Other 3 Gospels didn't say so. This is just shocking to me! How come the 3 original gospels supposedly written by people who knew Jesus didn't say Jesus was God-in-human-form, but a later gospel, whose writer is not known, said that He was? 6- Jesus was against Priests & Temples. Many of his followers used to be mystics, yet the church called them heretics & burnt them & in time became very powerful & corrupt. So corrupt, that some of the early popes had their own personal whores & started selling salvation. Things got so bad that some monks (Martin Luther) turned against the church. 7- Even Mary Magdalene had a Gospel! There is all sort of controversy that she was NOT a prostitute & that Jesus loved her more that he loved other Apostles. That the original corrupt church wanted the ‘women’ out of their power-domain. 8- Virgin birth. Many argue that the new Bibles were written to match the old bible. Hebrew translation of Isaiah's prophecy says "a young woman (almah) shall conceive & bear a son .." ; but the greek translated it as "a virgin (parthenos) shall conceive ..." So it seems the original prophecy didn't mention 'virgin', but somehow it got mis-translated. So new bible has to be written to show how a virgin gave birth. 9- Gerd Ludemann: > First of all the original form of Christianity was replaced by a form of Jacobite or James Christianity, the brother of Jesus, can you imagine that, who didn’t believe in Jesus during his lifetime? Took over, because he was a brother of Jesus, and nobody can really explain his rise to power. At least he was more powerful than Peter, the first disciple of Jesus and he was more powerful and more influential than Paul, the real founder of Christianity, and that now answers your question, Paul was the one who organised the Gentile mission and a mixture of Gentile Christianity and Jewish Christianity then developed into the early Catholic church. It’s a complicated process, but I would say Paul, the founder of Christianity who brought things together and who thought it through. Paul, who didn’t know Jesus by the way. > So it seems everybody wanted a piece of the action. 10- Gerd Ludemann: > My opinion is, as a minority opinion but as a majority opinion among international scholars, that Jesus expected a Kingdom of God to happen during his own lifetime, and that he, well, he deceived himself. And I think somebody who deceived himself and deceived his disciples cannot be the basis of worship. > Things were bad/rough then & many expected the 'kingdom of God' to replace the Romans. 11- Gerd Ludemann: > Well first of all please keep in mind he was unable to write, he was unable to read, he was a boy from the village of Galilee, a nature boy or something like that, OK? He was so much in touch with people that he was even unable to see that there’s some other intellects who would ask him some very embarrassing questions. See he was totally in his religion, a very original person, sympathetic, able to draw a great crowd, but who talked to God as his father, which would be a very strange way, because I would say whoever calls God his or her own father, cannot be taken seriously. > 12- > From the very first, no doubt, people in his hometown of Nazareth either shunned or attacked him as a bastard without a proper father. Hence the taunt “son of Mary.” His later adoption by Joseph - long before he rose to public notice - did not remove the stigma of being regarded as the son of a prostitute. It is hardly unreasonable to suppose that his later acceptance of those who were despised as sinners and outcasts reflects his own bitter experience of blameless rejection. Such a sense of alienation may also account for his difficult relationship to his own biological family. > What's the point of creating a 'virgin birth', when people, including family didn't believe in it? When it caused so much pain? There r no stories about Jesus moving mountains in his childhood, like superman did. God could've appeared in any form & anybody. God could've chosen any adult & completely changed him to what He wanted & have him be His prophet. Y create a child from 'virgin birth' & make the mother suffer from all sort of hostilities? 13- > Mary was Jewish, she lived in a Jewish country, a Jewish village, she practiced the Jewish religion all her life > This means Jesus must've been circumcised, so Y did the early Christians decided against circumcision? Y didn't Mary convert during the 30 years of living with his son who was a prophet-God? Y didn't Jesus's family believe in him? It doesn't look like Jesus did any preaching/miracles in his childhood. So Y do 'virgin birth', then keep the guy 'dormant' for 30 years, then wamo get him killed, without any rules being clear that what this religion was supposed to do?! 14- > There is proof that Augustine came up with the idea of original-sin (fall in garden of Eden). he even conceded that his idea found no scriptural support in the new testament, but his dark conclusion became the official teaching of roman catholic church. > 15- some people say: > According to the Jewish Bible, one of the requirements for the messiah is that he must be a descendant of King David. All of the major Messianic prophecies indicate this. However, when the genealogical records, as recorded by Matthew and Luke are examined, critical problems are revealed. Jesus failed to fulfill any of the major messianic prophecies; he was never anointed as King, he never ruled Israel, and the world was certainly not perfected in his time. In addition, he was not preceded by the return of the prophet Elijah. Finally, he was disqualified from ever being a messianic candidate due to his lack of the necessary family background. The Jewish people never rejected Jesus. He just never measured up to the description that God gave to the Jewish people, of who the messiah would be. > In fact people, in the early days kept on asking, when would we see the kingdom-of-God. Then one of the Church fathers came up with the answer that "when all the gentiles r converted to Christianity". Close but no cigar! If the old Bible was God's words, then 'Messiah' should've brought KoG. 16- Jesus said: "turn the other cheek" & "love thy enemy" I've lived among Christians for over 20 years, yet I've never ever heard/seen anybody turn-the-other-cheek. In fact if u do, they would make fun of u & will call u names. Not to mention centuries of killing & war & hatred. What is the point of Christianity if its followers don't follow Jesus?! 17- If the creator could write on stone, y didn't he write the Bible on metal? Just imagine how much headache he'd have prevented. All these people arguing over 'who wrote the Bibles' for centuries. People copying text for centuries & putting words in God's mouth! Surely the Creator must've known this would happen. Y select a prophet who can't read write, then have others write what the prophet said, over 50 years after his death?! Hell, I can't even remember what I said 2 days ago, let alone what was said 50 years ago! Not to mention alllllll the mistakes made in translations. 18- Not to mention so many branches of every one of his religions! Each having their own rules & stories of what did really happen. 1 God, means 1 religion, 1 set of rules, 1 set of stories; not 3 religions with 90 different sects/branches, all hating each other! Actually 3 r the major ones (J/Ch/I), there has been far more than 3 religions. 19- Y should the Creator choose poor uneducated people as prophets? Wouldn't it be much faster/better to choose a rich guy from the most powerful nation? There is a lot of proof that if Constantine, the roman emperor, hadn't become Christian, things would've been very different today! Which way would be faster today for God to change religion, choosing a poor guy in some african desert, or some rich educated guy in USA, to covert Bill Gate & the president & top church officials? Or maybe somebody in the Vatican, who converts the Pope himself? What about Michael Jordan? Have him win every major sport (Golf, swimming, etc.) & then let me tell the whole world on a major TV broadcast that "I'm the chosen ONE"! Surely, anybody would be more efficient than a poor uneducated guy in desert. 20- Y should the Creator write rubbish, about what this man/woman said & what they did? (this gets even worst in Quran) Y didn't he just come out & name all the chemical elements & talk about how earth was moving around the sun & atom & all the rules in science & brag about them that "I made all this"?! Specially if he wrote it on some un-destructible metal. The all powerful, all knowing, all merciful creator would NOT work in a messy way. But when u add Islam to the picture, it all turns into a disaster, which can NOT be a feature of any creator! Y? coz: 1- Many have rejected Judaism/Christianity as a true religion sent by the Creator. Because Islam accepts J/Ch, then Islam is automatically rejected. 2- History of Islam gives the Creator a very ugly image that can't be true. A merciful Creator could NOT have been behind all the killings & hate & rape ... If u like to see more about Islam, read Ibn Warraq - Why I Am Not A Muslim : http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/not_muslim.htm The excuse that God chose this group, but they went on the wrong path, so God chose another group, who went on another wrong path, so God chose another group is just NOT GOOD enough! v r not talking about an angry old man, v r talking about the Creator, who created LIFE & can do anything, which is beyond Man's understanding. After 4000 years of hate & killings, we got nothing but hate & confusion. We should not blame the creator for our faults & should not try to speak for him/her! Anything that can create LIFE & the whole world, would surely be able to prove WHO did it, beyond any doubts what so ever, so that no pissy little human can find faults with it! =========================================================== More on J/Ch: 1- Y should God take 40 days to give 10 commands to Moses? God should've seen that his followers were building the Cow, so He should've sent Moses back to put stop to it. Not wait for 40 days, then Moses going back & see the Cow & put 3000 to the sword! 2- Y not appear to Moses & give 10 COMD to him right in front of everybody? Obviously many of his followers were still not true believers, so this would've cured them for life. 3- God 'chose' prophets from humans for thousands of years, never being concerned about the 'original SIN'. Y should He all of a sudden change his method & decide to come down Himself in the form of Jesus in a virgin birth & confuse the hell out of humans?! So that he can die on the cross so that HE himself can pay for the 'original-SIN'! It's as if God tried this & didn't work, then tried another method, surely the Creator of the LIFE & the universe, who is all knowing & all powerful, wouldn't work like this. 4- Y should God choose only 1 group of people & tell them that men should cut their dudul, which HE designed, to show they follow him; but only if their mothers were 'followers'. (i.e. u can only become a Jew/follower if ur mother was a Jew/follower) Then come up with Christianity, where anybody can become a follower, without cutting his dudul. Then come up with Islam & tell them to kill/burn all of His old followers, but have to cut the dudul again?! dudul OFF, dudul ON, OFF, ON, OFF, ON .... =========================================================== Muslims & Christians believe in the same God & same story of creation as Jews do. So according to Islam, God sent thousands of prophets to Jews over centuries with Jesus being the last one. Jews considered themselves as the chosen-people, which makes perfect sense, coz why else would God send them, & ONLY them, thousands of prophets & ignore everybody else?! But why should God, all of a sudden, after centuries, decide to turn against His own chosen-people, all of whom spoke the same language & followed the same culture, God’s culture, & choose a new prophet from savage Bedouin Arabs, who spoke a totally different language & hated the Jews? Why should the same God who had told his old chosen-people to “do to others what u’d like done to u” & in the case of Jesus “love thy enemy”, have a complete change of mind & heart & tell the new Arab prophet to kill his old chosen-people & rape their women & children?! Then when u finish with the old chosen-people, go attack & invade all other countries & kill & loot & rape anybody u find till the end of time & force everybody to follow the new rules/regime?! And, last but not least, why should the same God, who calls himself YaHWeH for centuries, all of a sudden decide to change his name to Allah?! This is simply NOT how the creator of the world & LIFE would work! Christianity today is still full of confusion after 2000 years & cannot be the work of the creator of the world & LIFE. Take the following book: Barbara Thiering ; Jesus the man, a new interpretation from the dead sea Scrolls . BT is a Christian scholar & studied the scrolls for 20 years & believes that Gospels were written in a form containing 2 levels of meaning : surface-level & concealed-level. She says: --[ Jesus was borne in 7 BC & was 70 in 64 AD. There is no record of his final days. Jesus did not die on the cross, he was given poison & thought dead. He was removed from the cross & placed in a cave. He recovered & lived. He was married to Mary Magdalene, who was 3 month pregnant when he was crucified. They had 2 sons & 1 daughter (Tamar). Paul married Jesus’ daughter. Jesus’ first son was called Jesus Justus. In march 44, Mary Magdalene decided to leave her husband Jesus. Jesus father, Joseph was an Essene, who had high regards for celibacy & thought sex was unholy. Essenes had long betrothal period of several years, then a marriage ceremony which permitted them to have sex. It was a trial marriage, lasting up to 3 years. When the woman became pregnant, they waited till she had advanced to 3 months, then had a second marriage ceremony. There was no sex after this wedding, the husband would separate to go back to his celibate life for a few years. If it happened that the during the betrothal period & before the first wedding, the passions became too strong, & a child was conceived, then it could be said by the play of words that “a virgin had conceived”. The woman was still a virgin legally, but not physically. Mary was a “virgin”, meaning a nun, betrothed to Joseph. The method of excommunication was to act as if the man were literally dead, dressed him in a grave cloths, & put him in his own grave for several days, after which he would be sent away outside the community, spiritually “dead”. Simon, also called Lazarus, was put in the burial cave to be excommunicated, but Jesus went to him & ordered the stone to be lifted, then he shouted “Lazarus, come forth!” ]-- Creator of the world doesn’t change mind & rules over time & would not create confusion. He will not tell people to be kind & honest for centuries & then change his mind & tell savages to go & “kill them all, burn them all”. =========================================================== If the Creator wanted to have humans follow its religion, it should’ve been done in one generation. This should’ve been very easy for the all-powerful all-knowing creator to do. All throughout history many rulers converted to a new religion & forced their entire nation to convert too. Safavi King simply forced Shiit Islam on Miranians & imported Shiit mullahs from Arab countries. Nobody objected & today millions of gaav/olaaq in Miran still follow the rubbish religion. Simply because kids follow their parents’ religion, accepting what they are told as facts, not being able to use logic to question it. It should’ve been very easy for the creator to convert all rulers on this planet to its religion. This could’ve been done by dreams or creator ‘appearing’ to them or simply ‘flying’ its prophet all over the planet to convert all the rulers. This religion would’ve been so logical & the fact revealed so ‘scientific’ that nobody would’ve been able to find anything wrong with it. If any idiot invented his own religion, Creator could’ve simply eliminated him or would’ve send him dreams to change his minds. There should’ve never been prophets who were poor or beggars or sheep-herders trying to preach the poor, all the times trying to prove they were sent by a real God. This means that by 2000 BC, all humans on this plant would’ve followed the same religion & today we’d have only ONE religion on earth. The fact that this is not the case proves that creator had never wanted humans to follow its religion. Therefore, all religions today were made by man, & most of them are very different to what they were originally, because they’ve all been gradually changed by man over & over & over. Man has created God in his own image. Back to top Iran109- future of KIR IRAN 109 - Future of KIRi** The Masters put Khomeini's Islamic Repluclic (KIR) there & they can't afford to remove it yet coz: a-It's too good for them a1-totally in their hands b2-they have made a fortune so far & there is still money to be made b-The whole country would be blown to pieces with the hate/division that exists among Iranians c-with all the money IRI has given to many terrorist orgs & all the 'hate' they have shown towards the 'west' in the last 23 years, with the thousands of their own people being butchered & tortured, how come all of a sudden they r part of the 'good-guys' team? It must all have been part of the scenario/game, & still is, right? It could happen if: 1-75% of Iranians unite & come-UP with a civil system, before taking over(!), that could do a win-win deal with the Masters. But for Masters to do this, some pressure must be placed on them so that it won't look good to have KIRI there no more. But if they haven't done this in 23 nightmarish years, y now? I mean u name it & they have had: -War -Torture/killing by the thousands -Drugs & Prostitution -Massive corruption -Massive unemployment -Massive poverty -Savage laws of stoning/hanging/butcheringg -Massive damage to 'religion' This is one reason I think a constitutional-Monarchy would be an easier/faster way of getting out of this mess in the short run: -It's been proven before & the foundation is there -The constitution is there & only needs soome modification(if any?) -it could unite people if freedom is givenn to many parties to get into Majles (but still there would be problems with EGO & urge-to-dominate others (from all involved or not) ) -Masters have seen it before Any other system would need more work & too much inner fighting/debates, unless the Masters come up with something different, bless their kind hearts. 2-Oil runs out & not much money left to be made, so the Masters would just back-off? On second thought, I don't think so coz if they let go, the mess in Iran (due to internal fighting) would mess up the neighbors & cause problems for the Masters' interests in the region. 3- What if the good-Mullahs decide to save Islam & turn against the bad-Mullahs? But the good Mullahs know they can't 'govern' & would need politicians/experts to run the show. So they have to team up with another group. But this has to have the blessing of the Masters, or it won't happen. Since even KhoSHEMRi used to believe in Monarchy, it's very likely that most of the good Mullahs be pro-Monarchy, specially having seen the divisions & inner-fighting of Iranians in the last 23 years. If the good Mullahs don't rise against the bad-Mullahs/IRI, they would pay a very heavy price when IRI goes, which will have to happen sooner or later. But Shi'eh Islam in Iran will never recover from this, unless the Masters force most Iranians to be illiterate & ignorant by forcing another form of corrupt dictatorship into power, which is not too Islamic & forces Islam to go underground. Are countries very different to companies? I mean if a company is not managed well, it will go bust or will be taken over by another Co, no? I doubt very much if there would be as many countries in 2300, than there r now. But people do deserve their Governments. Damet Garm, sakht nagir baabaa, Bi Khiyaal ... -------------------------------------------------------- The 1st thing KhoSHEMRI did was to order the execution of the officer who arrested him many years ago. The officer was seen hung with his balls stuck in his mouth. To me this said it all WHAT(not who!) this jerk was.