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Postby yali » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:53 pm

Could I explain some mythology and ask for your comments or advice?
Persia was involved with Neo-Babylon as the title Kambujiya is seen in Babylonian kambuzi robe worn by Kurus II son in 536 BCE during his kingship ceremony of Babylonian rituals. I'm looking for the Sumerian-Akkadian legend of the eagle god with a thunderbolt in other nations but it appears that Persia was not the transferer of this Babylonian heritage. Ninurta the eagle man had a 3 pointed vajra to attack Anzu. Marduk was no eagle and had a 3 pointed arrow against Tiamat.
Ahura Mazda was an eagle man but had no thunderbolts in his hand. In the Vedas, Indra strikes with vajra, but in the Avesta vazra is Mithra's weapon who is not an eagle man.
Avesta Yasht stanza 10 : vazra - steel resplendent as gold, covered in sharply pointed studs, same as Indra vajra.
The triple-pointed thunderbolt of Ninurta appeared on Greek Olympia coins of 4th cent BCE century.
Jupiter was not an eagle ( although he owned one ) and didn't have a 3 pointed vajra.
Sanskrit Mahabharata was written around that time and Indra a deity of Zoroaster Vendidad used a vajra . No Hindu or Buddhist artwork is known from that era so the shape of the thunderbolt vajra in dharma religion from that time is unknown.

The worship of Nergal does not appear to have spread as widely as that of Ninurta but in the late Babylonian and early Persian period were invoked together as if they were identical. Hymns and votive and other inscriptions of Babylonian and Assyrian rulers frequently invoke him. Nergal represented summer solstice and was god of sunset.
In Sanskrit, Aquila constellation is called Sravana "July-August". Aquila "eagle" stars are the location of Zeus' , Jupiter's and Garuda eagle.

Similarly, both Babylonians and Sumerians called A mushen , mushen "bird" the Altair “the eagle star ”

In Sumerian and Akkadian mythology, Anzû is a divine storm-bird and the personification of the southern wind and the thunder clouds. This demon—half man and half bird—stole the "Tablet of Destinies" from Enlil and hid them on a mountaintop. . According to one text, Marduk killed the bird; in another, it died through the arrows of the god Ninurta.

Ganymede is abducted by Zeus, in the form of an eagle, to serve as cup-bearer in Olympus. So only Ninurta and Zeus are eagle-man with 3 pointed vajra .
So then do you agree that Persians and not Greeks were the means to take the original legend to India ? They both influenced India but the legend appears again in the eastern parts of India's realm many centuries later.
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Re: Babylon-Persia

Postby yali » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:11 pm

Persian Scythians who later ruled Punjab exported horses to Sri Lanka from 300 BCE and reached the Spice islands of Indonesia. Persians were in Tamil Nadu in 700 CE. Tamil traders settled in Java in large numbers from 1025 CE and in 1222 it seems a Javanese king escaped to Australia and brought Indonesian culture which persists today.

Tamil plural suffix -ka is known from 0 CE and became -gal and perhaps was influenced by Persian -gal. There appears to be a Persian loan in Tamil Nadu , Java and Sydney Australia : the plural -gal in kumara-gal. " Sumerian /diĝir gal-gal -ĝu-ne-ra/ ("god great (reduplicated)-my-" = "for all my great gods")". (Kausen 2006.). " As in gender ,Tafreš and northern Kāšān dialects , central Iran , tend to retain the distinction between direct and oblique cases : direct plural -gal . oblique plural - galan ." ( cf. Pers.galla “flock, herd”),( Encyc Iranica.2010 ) . In oblique case ‎(plural oblique cases) a noun is the object of a verb or the object of a preposition.
The western Iranian common plural ending -gal (southern Kurdish dialects, the Lor dialects, and other dialects of central Persia ) . The ending -gal may be combined with the endings [i]-ān : galian.
People were known by the name of their country, with the suffix 'gal' added for men and 'galleon' for women; so a man from Sydney , or Cadi, was known as Cadigal, and women Cadigalleon.

Skt kumara "princes" is Tamil kumaragal, Bali kumara "prince". Old Java kumara "boy. Shiva's son the god of war". Sydney Eora people are Cammaraygal the collective of camarada "comrades". (Gamarada . Attenbrow and Stanborough 2002). ) The -gal suffix male collective is used in Bundjalung, where the boat from Java arrived , and in Kulin-group of Victoria languages.

The eagle-man with thunderbolts of planet Jupiter and Aquila "eagle" constellation of Kulin people at Melbourne Australia seems to be Greek Zeus. Persian language influence ( Avestan Sanskrit) seems to have combined with that tradition. Mithra at times had an eagle crown and thunderbolts.
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