Why Constitutional Monarchy Will Never Work in Iran?
Arguing with Dogmatic Monarchists, One More time!Suren Areal
“Before we consider the advantages of the Monarchy or other form of governments for future Iran, it is necessary to fully understand and reveal all the facts about the 1979 foreign sponsored regime change in Iran and the Catastrophe of the 12 February 1979 coup d'etat in Iran, by foreign puppet "Akhonds", general name by Iranians for medieval ayatollahs and mullahs.”
No, it is not necessary! We are discussing Monarchy vs. Republic systems of governments. Once again, you are using this opportunity to jump in here and spam this topic by promoting that fabricated book and those fabricated 60 part audio tapes on YouTube. You are off topic, the same as you were in the other topic.
The other topic by Web Mistress was about Iran Protests. You went there and spammed that topic many times by over and over posting the promotion on this book and these audio tapes until the Club Admin deleted your final posts. This is called Spam. The spam is not only posting advertisement for a product or a site but it is also advertising for a book and audio tapes. Look at every post that you posted here:
Iran Protests: IRI Islamic Regime Got to Go!viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1961Everyone is posting news and debates but you post spam. Now you are here to spam this topic with unrelated material, once again that book and those tapes!
“These facts are partially expressed in the book, in Persian, with title "Dar poshteh pardehayeh enghelab" by Syavash Bashiri, "eterafat Jafar Shafiezadeh ISBN 3-9807107-8-7, published by Nima Verlag, in Germany. Its audio files, also in Persian, are easily accessible on You Tube in 60- parts. To be able to separate fiction, lies and propaganda presented as facts, often recording in their Newspapers the appearnces, taken as facts, by very naive Iranian journalists, even today, present illegitimate regime of akhonds lies for reality - it is time to reveal to all 80 million Iranians what has really happened behind the scene during1975-79 in Iran.”
You know, I even defended you against Hezbollah in IPC for your freedom of speech. I defended you also against prejudice Anti-Semitic remarks of Hezbollah. But the fact is that you have been spamming this club over and over to promote this fictional book and fictional tapes.
Just because some unknown person (Siyavash Bashiri) has published a book and revised the original book by Jaffar Shafizadeh, and just because Foroud Fouladvand made a 60 part audio series and revised the original book in to his own fantasy, these actions do not become evidence of facts.In no court of law, you can sell these as facts. Your facts are based on a fabricated book and a fabricated 60 part tape both by a couple of Monarchists.The original book was by Jaffar Shafizadeh, not by Siyavash Bashiri or Foroud Fouladvand! Stop taking people for fools and start talking about facts. These are fantasies not facts. The original book is available on the Internet everywhere. This fictional book and audio tapes are fabrications of the original book.
Go study the definition of the word “Coup” and then you will realize that 1979 was not a coup. I do not call it Revolution because Revolution means Progress but 1979 was Regress; therefore, I call it Reaction of 1979.What came after 1979 was more Reactionary than Regime of Shah. In other words, Shah’s Regime was more progressive than the Islamic Regime. This is why 1979 was not a Revolution but a Reaction. In any means, by the definition of the Coup, it was not a Coup.
“For those who are unaware of what is called by foreign powers as "means and methods", it is important to mention the actions taken for this kind of irreversible political change, such as the foreign sponsored regime change in a country like Iran from 1975-79.”
Believe me, everyone is aware of this Fantasy Fiction book and 60 part audio by a couple of Monarchists incognito! Non of these are the original book by Shafizadeh!
“There is one method in particular which must be revealed here, and that is, the possibility of "deniability" of the political clandestine actions of these types, by the more advanced foreign powers, and the superpower, who were very deeply involved in the1979 egime change in Iran.”
These Revelations only come to Monarchists’ Dreams at night!“Unlike what is commonly believed by nonpolitical Iranians, it was not the crowds in the streets that changed the regime in Iran, but tmercenarthan 5500 executions of patriotic Iranians by those foreign mercenaries, that were called "cheriks".that caused the regime change.
Thst is, those foreign powers bought mercenaries from other arab countries, such as Libya and Syria, and trained them there, as in the case of Jafar Shafiezadeh, and his collaborators, he called "cheriks". Trainings them to act as body-guards for Akhond Khomeini, as well as executioners, as in Alavi School roof-top murders of army Generals, and other murders of more than 5500 partriotic Iranians, among the top military and civilians, to bring abou the regime change n Iran in 1979.
These foreign powers can easily buy the mercenaries, and put them in for example, Liban or Syrian military uniforms, to fool simple minded persons from the third world countries, like Jafar Shefizadeh, and others in Iran at that time (during the preparation of 1979 coup d'etat, starting in 1975). and be able to deny it later, if they were unmasked or discovered later, as we are doing today, these foreign powers could claim today that, these executioners were Syrians or Libyans and nothing to do with them”
Did you even understand what you wrote? I do not want to be offensive but I understand that
Your 1st language is Persian
Your 2nd language is French
Your 3rd language is probably Hebrew
Your 4th language is English
So, your English with all due respect is terrible! Readers will not understand these incoherent frantic of paragraphs loaded with spelling grammar mistakes which makes no sense!
I on other hand am familiar with various different cultures and foreigners trying to speak or write English. I read between the lines and I get you, so I will respond.
Here we go,
I had these types of conversations and arguments with Dogmatic Monarchists, many times before and it will get nowhere because I am about Historical Facts and Logic but Monarchists are about Dogma and Emotions. Still, here we go again!
Listen, I do not need to read any book or listen to any tape (even though I did) to know the historical facts.
I am a historian. Morely, I was there in 1979. I was 15 and 16 but I was there fighting, writing slogans on the walls and protesting
Pro Shah. Just because I was protesting pro Shah, it does not mean that I was or am a Monarchist, but it means that
even as a teenager, I knew that what will come after Shah is much worse than Shah!Yes, I grew up in the Imperial Court and Cabinet and both my parents were high officials of the Shah’s Regime. They literally kicked me out of Iran because I was so politically active that if I would stay, I would have been arrested by the Islamists and jailed or murdered. So eventually the whole family left because all of us would be dead and executed.I was there at the beginning of the so-called Revolution which started by the end of 1977 all through 1978 to the point of 1979. Now, my friends and I were fighting pro Shah and Bakhtiar. As an eye witness, I could see that we were in minority and Islamists and Muslims along with every other political group including but not limited to Leftists, Liberals, Socialists, Communists and Mojahedin were against the Imperial Regime.
Our protests and activism were a drop-in comparison to theirs. The majority by far was against the Imperial Regime, Shah and Bakhtiar.1979 was not a coup. It was stupidity but not a coup. It was Reaction but not a coup.I trust my own eyes more than your “Conspiracy Theories”!What you preach is the same Fiction and Fantasy propagated by Monarchists for decades. Everyone is aware of this fabrication.
My point is that your complete spam has no place here. I said:
If Shah’s Regime was working, then people would have not overthrown it in 1979.Yes, overwhelming majority of the Iranian people overthrew the Imperial Regime.No Foreign power, no secret service, no guerilla group, no mercenaries and no foreign dealing could overthrow the Shah’s powerful regime without the will of the majority. Of course, there were Palestinian Guerillas fighting in the streets along with Hezbollah, Islamists, Mojahedin, Fedaian and others.
Of course, USA, UK, CIA and Carter were involved.
Of course, 101 factors were involved.
But without the overwhelming will of the majority of the Iranian people, Shah’s Regime would have not been collapsed.That is historical fact. That is what I am saying.
You show one fictional book and one fictional YouTube page.
I can show you 100 history books by valid historians.
I can show you 100 testimonies by people who were there.
I can testify myself because I was there.
Stop Monarchist lies, fabrications, conspiracy theories and fantasies to justify the disastrous mistakes of the Monarchist Regime including Alahazrat himself who ended up losing our nation and handing it to Muslims. It was on Alahazrat’s watch which Iran become Islamist!
Imperial Iran gave birth to IRI.Just stop the lies, stop the justification and stop fabrication.
While we were fighting in the streets to save Iran, Imperial Generals, Statesmen and Imperial Family including Alahazrat himself were planning to leave and abandon Iran! They kicked me out of Iran by force but those who stayed, fought without any help from the Mighty Imperial Military! Most of the Imperial Generals and Military were cowards.
Finally, they abandoned Bakhtiar and surrendered to Khomeini.A substantial military, a people with fundamental foundations, a nation with backbone does not allow Carter, CIA, UK, Guerrillas and so on dictate to them how to run their country.
Who is responsible for 1979?Stop infantizing the Iranian people. You and people like you created a parallel reality. In this reality, Iranian people were children who got tricked by the foreign powers into succeeding the 1979 Reaction. Iranian people exactly knew what they were doing. They were not children. Wrong or right, they did it.
Iranian People, Imperial Military, Imperial Statesmen, Imperial Family, Shah himself and Conspiracy Theorist Fantasy Lovers like you Monarchists were all responsible for the disaster of 1979. All of you were and are responsible for 1979. Stop shifting the blame to Foreigners! 1979 is a disaster created by You Iranians. Accept Reality, the Historical Reality.I am sick and tired of justifications, excuses, fabrications, conspiracy theories, alternate realities, all and all created by Monarchists like you. Just stop it, specially here where people are so political and so informed.
Instead of fiction, start believe in reality. Iranians were responsible for 1979. You and your kind (Monarchists) were and are the guiltiest of them all.
I don’t know which one, the Muslims or Monarchists are most to blame?
Muslims screwed Iran up.
Monarchists handed Iran to the Muslims.The funny thing is that both groups are now blaming foreigners for their screw ups!It is time to wake up to reality and stop conspiracy theories.We have been hearing your nonsense for 40 years and we are fed up. It is time to stop conspiracy theories, accept the blame, take responsibility and start planning the future to build the future Iran. This future will be without Muslims and Monarchists both because both Muslims and Monarchists had their chance and they failed miserably! Step aside and remain silent.
Allow technocrats, scientists, informed people and rational realists to take over. Maybe this time, this God forsaken country will finally see salvation without the garbage of dictatorship by Shahollah or Hezbollah!Now, if you want to talk about Constitutional Monarchy remedy for Iran, read this topic from the beginning. I have already proven that it will never work for Iran.This is what really happened in 1979:
Reasons for the birth of Islamic Republic of Iranhttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/birth-IRI/index.htmAnd this is why Constitutional Monarchy is Done with in Iran:
How Republicans and Monarchists view the world?http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htmWhy Monarchy has Ended and We Must Start a New?http://iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/wh ... /index.htmEnough Nonsense Conspiracy Theories
Time to Build the FutureAmen!
Dr. X