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“I like neither halos”
“I do like the last king of Iran, because of his policies and deeds.”
“In fact, it only became a “children’s blog” after its creator fell out of favor with you.”
“Such claims (calling you a Hezbo) were of course ridiculous.”
“I am not very familiar with the author of that article. I never called him a historian, nor did I praise him.”
“I said that I saw value and importance in the article.”
“Regarding Shah’s massacres, what is your position?”
“Is the blood-thirsty X now weary of massacres?”
“Or does he wish that Shah had stayed behind and massacred more people during the revolution?”
“Which does he prefer?”
“I do not go to any site looking for salvation. I do not seek salvation, for I own it. The reason that I go to various sites is to offer it.”
“However, since you inquire about my recent visit to Aryamehr’s site, I shall tell you the simple reason. I read the little catfight that the two of you had in the Monarchy thread. In that thread, IPC admin posted an invitation for members to read about “Shahollah's New Anti IPC Campaign.” Therefore, I followed the link and did just that. While there, I browsed around and came upon this article. So you could say that it’s your own damned fault that I ended up there (not that there is anything wrong with there). “
“So you could say that it’s your own damned fault that I ended up there (not that there is anything wrong with there).”
“I must say that I was utterly disappointed with his comments regarding yourself and IPC. However, that is a different matter.”
“I do not agree with that behavior of his, and am disappointed by it. I am equally disappointed with you for pushing him so far, dragging him in front of the club in an effort to humiliate him, that he finally snapped and wrote that rubbish.”
“However, if you really think that I would post it here for the reason you claim, then perhaps you are hanging around the paranoid conspiracy theorists too much.”
“Do you really take me for this? That this is my tactic?”
“Blind Fanatical Absolute Dogmatic Belief in anyone or anything obscures one’s vision to view the realties of the world. May this fanaticism be towards a person, a religion, an ideology or anything else, it effects the person’s logical interpretation of the reality.”
“I agree.”
“Although I respect and cherish the memory of the late Shah, I have not held my opinion of him in a fanatical or dogmatic fashion.”
“However, I measure him on a grand scale, and take into account all of his virtues as well as ills. After doing so, it is my opinion that he was an overall good ruler, and was good for the nation.”
“In no way do I deify him, nor do I hold him beyond the reach of critique.”
“I would accept and embrace philosophy from a plumber, provided that the content of that thought was worthy. I would moreover scoff at that presented by a noted author or philosophy professor, if its content was worthless.”
“Judge not a book by its cover. Furthermore, judge not a book by its author. Judge it based on its content.”
“Monarchists seem to have difficulty with this distinction as well. They equate Mohamad Reza Pahlavi (the man) with the notion of monarchy (the form of government), and vise versa. This is a mistake.”
“please don’t lecture me about monarchy.”
“The sermon is getting old, and it belongs in the Monarchy thread. It does not belong in every single thread that concerns the Shah.”
“You need to learn to separate the concept of a specific man from the concept of a specific form of government.”
OK OK thanks for the incognito spelling correction. It is Halo and I made a mistake.
Did Shah commit crimes or not?
Say No and I will crucify you by listing 100 different crimes committed by Shah!
Do you think you are lucky boy?
Make my day (Clint Eastwood Style)!
So if Shah committed crimes (by any definition), then Shah was a criminal.
Yes or No?
Say No and I will destroy you with proof and logic.
Do you think you are lucky punk?
Make my day (Clint Eastwood Style)!
And why did its creator fell out of favor with me? Hmmmmm? Answer professor?
Could it be because of his:
Limited intellect to progress more and evolve more to be worthy of taking over IPC?
His dogmatic fanatical faith in Shah and Monarchy and his bias against everyone and everything Anti Shah?
His lack of reasoning with logic?
His defense mechanism to automatically brand all Anti Monarchy forces as Hezbollah?
His lack of will power and motivation to accept responsibility and duty?
His loud mouth and no action?
Should I keep on going?
Quote:
“Such claims (calling you a Hezbo) were of course ridiculous.”
No, they are criminal. The term is criminal. Learn it!
It does not matter if Shah killed 100,000 or 10,000 or 1000 or 100 or even one person. Murder is murder and Shah was a murderer. Aside from that, he was also a criminal who committed hundreds of different crimes.
Shah killed as many as he could, go check the stats!
Pay attention and pay attention well:
1. To kill for a specific political agenda (remain in power despite the will of the people) is murder and a crime.
2. To kill for a specific group (corrupt Pahlavis) to keep on pillaging a nation, continue corruption and feed off the blood of Iranians is murder and a crime.
3. To kill to supress all other political voices than your own is murder and a crime.
4. To jail, torture and kill political prisoners for their beliefs is murder and a crime.
But
5. To kill to avoid one’s nation to be destroyed (rather than to keep an eye to US orders as a lap dog) is a noble cause and it is justified as killing the enemy in a war.
6. To kill to end tyranny of Islam in Iran and establish a nationalist regime to regain our place in the world and to rise the standards of livings for Iranians is a noble cause and it is justified as killing the enemy in a war.
Mohamad Reza Shah Pahlavi had done 1, 2, 3 and 4, but when it all came down to the final historical moment to save or not to save Iran, he failed to do number 5
6. To kill to end tyranny of Islam in Iran and establish a nationalist regime to regain our place in the world and to rise the standards of livings for Iranians is a noble cause and it is justified as killing the enemy in a war.
If you truly cannot distinguish between numbers 1 through 6 and the difference between a Murderer, a Criminal and a Coward ……….
then by all means start taking a course in Morality. Back to school you go ……….
As I stated above, the killings that Shah had done before 1978 were murders. During and After 1978 they would have been justified killings
When a person claims that I am a Hezbollahi and IPC is a front business for Hezbollah, then that person and his site has no credibility
That is correct. He had finally snapped. He lost it. I am an expert to push people to their limits. I conduct psychological tests and play mind games. Those who pass, do join my ranks and those who fail are no use to me. Am I cruel? Hell yes! But I need the best to commit to the future Nationalist Revolution of Iran. I want the best, the rest are no use to me!
Now Professor, how would you handle the situation? How would you make the best of everything? Don’t talk about my flaws, but put forward a solution?
After the recent events in IPC, I am becoming extremely paranoid. I simply cannot trust anyone. I am beginning to think twice before even handing my e-mail, phone or even name to anyone, no matter how safe!
Throughout our history, “Persian Traitors” were glorious and the main cause of our downfall during the Macedonian Invasion, Muslim Invasion and 1979!
No, I am taking you for a person with bias. You are probably one of the most scientific and logical minds, which I have ever met; however, you have a bias towards Shah and the Pahlavis!
On the other hand I am a Fair Judge of History. Until this moment, I still say it loud and clear that Mohamad Reza Shah Pahlavi had done many good for Iran. But how can I be a fair historian by allowing my personal respect for this man, obscure my judgment?
So yes, Shah had done many good for Iran, but as I have stated, it all comes down to judging a person in times of need. All the good that he had done for Iran on one side, but then again about 37 years of ruling with absolute despotism, megalomania, detachment from the masses, fascism, religious fanaticism, murder, crimes, corruption and finally cowardice ………….. how can I close my eyes?
I cannot worship this man full of character flaws, selfishness and cowardice, the same as the Monarchists do! I still worship Reza Khan and consider him an UberMensch, but Reza Khan was a world away from this man. Mohamad Reza Pahlavi is not worthy of my general respect.
If nothing, he will always remain as the Shah who handed Iran to Islam. This is his worst crime!
Would you like to become the Traffic Director Cop (Paseban) in IPC to direct the folks to the proper rooms, so they don’t get lost?
Why don’t you confess?
You are defiant of Ahreeman because Office had permanently killed your pet (Susan de Hezbo)! But that was a general decision made by the office as a whole. That was not my sole personal decision!
“See? Paranoid again.”
“Did Shah commit crimes? Yes. Is he therefore a criminal? Yes.
Are you happy? Are you shocked that I would answer you so plainly?”
“Before you cry foul and say “but, but, that’s not the same thing because of the gravity of the laws broken,” I’ll grant to you that there is a difference between the various crimes. Murder is different from stealing gum. So now, I ask, what ruler has not ever deviated from certain laws, and has not ever committed a serious offense? Such rulers, I guarantee, are few and far between, if ever one exists or existed.”
“It is not so easy, when governing a nation is concerned. Sometimes, for the greater good of society, a couple of heads will get cracked open. “
“Dariush the Great, and other Achaemenid kings that we so miss and cherish,”
“You have made your judgement, and since it is judgement it is subject to an element of subjectivity. Therefore, I may not convince you otherwise.”
“Now, as I said before, there are many points of criticisms to which I concede Shah is wide open. There was some element of detachment,”
“some of arrogance,”
“and some of corruption (although it is my opinion that it was those around him that were corrupt, not himself).”
“Admittedly, there was also a significant element of lack of political freedom, which was a huge mistake on his part.”
“However, when properly weighed, his benevolent contribution to Iran far outweighed his pernicious contribution. It is for that reason that I view him in a positive light. “
“Now, you and I can go back and forth and present favorable and unfavorable actions of this man until we grow beards, but the final judgement that we will each render will probably not be swayed by the other, as it is based upon a final act of subjectivity.”
“I admit that he does have bias regarding Shah and monarchy. However, again I must repeat that so do you, and perhaps so do I. “
“Funny, because you blame him repeatedly for not staying and ordering the suppression of the revolution. What would the suppression of the revolution really have meant? Number 5, as you claim, or number 1? It seems clear to me that had he stayed and suppressed the revolution by force (as you wish he had done), then he would have been committing number 1. Perhaps it is true that he had been guilty of committing number 1 prior to the revolution, but again a scale of reference is needed. Had he committed number 1 during the revolution, a whole new catastrophe would have been unleashed, on a scale far greater than what he had dabbled in previously. In the end, it seems, he decided to avoid the bloodshed of thousands of citizens in lieu of maintaining control. Perhaps his decision resulted in far greater subsequent misery and loss of life, but he cannot be faulted for not foreseeing the true consequence of the revolution.”
“Many (in fact most) of these so called “political dissidents” were what some might call terrorists and criminals. That is a fact, my friend. Marxist, Mujahedin, and other Guerrillas that were bent on taking control of the country and implementing their ideology, or die trying and take out as many rivals and innocents as possible. Yes, Shah was fighting these bastard terrorists long before the rest of the world got a true dose.”
“This statement is a bit ambiguous, in that it does not specify the exact conditions. In this endeavor, it is justified to kill whom? The combatants that oppose freedom? Any Muslim that stands in the way? A thousand innocent Muslims, if one combatant is among them? The possible scenarios are immense, and each demands its own specific answer. A blanket statement such as this is irresponsible and dangerous.
Another comment about number 6: Kindly substitute the words Iran and Iranian with the words Deutschland and German, and Islam with the word Jews. Now read the sentence, and tell me you don’t hear the echo of applause from a Nuremberg rally. “
“I agree with nationalism, and I cherish it in others. There is a very fine line, however, between a benevolent nationalist and a psychopath. Be careful where you tread.”
“You may deny it if you wish, but IPC lost a good member because of it. For what, and why?”
“I’ll tell you why. You got hurt (boo hoo, cry me a river) because someone close to you in this club chose to pursue a path that was not what you had in mind for him. You threw a big hissy fit because he quit as moderator.”
“Big freaking deal. He quit as moderator, and you unleash such hate, personal attack, and infamy upon him?”
“Of course, the rest is history, and the result is that everyone here got damaged somehow.”
“Your diagnosis is excessive rage, utmost pride, impatience, and an overwhelming attraction to vengeance. You may flaunt them as virtues, but they are your undoing. “
“You now compare Liberator to the traitors that betrayed Iran to the Greeks and Muslims? Now who is the delusional paranoid that causes himself to lose credibility?”
“His saying that you are a Hezbo is not much different than your comparing him to such traitorous individuals. Get a grip, buddy.”
“What is this “treason” to which you keep referring? Ridiculous! Treason towards what? IPC? IPC is nice, but don’t let it go too much to your head, it’s only a website and a forum.”
“Treason towards what? IPC?”
“IPC is nice, but don’t let it go too much to your head, it’s only a website and a forum”
“It’s not a damn country! It has no citizens; only members. No one has any obligations towards it.”
“What each individual offers to it is voluntary. You and a select few around you have invested much effort into it, and have an understandable attachment to it, but no one else has that kind of attachment, and may come and go as he or she pleases.”
“Even those select few and yourself, have no civic responsibility towards IPC. What each of you does must be voluntary, and subject to change.”
“When you speak of “treason” in the context of Liberator quitting his moderator duties (whatever those may be), you make me laugh. I’m sure you make others laugh as well. Keep it real.”
“you make me laugh. I’m sure you make others laugh as well. Keep it real.”
“I’m sure you make others laugh as well.”
“Keep it real.”
You are aware that you also have a shaky history (Activist Chat). You openly participate with an organization which has the pictures of MRP, RP, Farah and Pahlavis on the front page of their website and worship them!
one can conclude that another Monarchist agent (you that is) certainly plays his part in IPC!
This kind of talk is the same exact talk coming out of this fellow, his bosses like RP, Zahedi and Homayoun, and other Monarchist Orgs. which I know you collaborate with!
So one can conclude that by stating these rhetorics + your collaboration with known Monarchist Sites and Organization (Activist Chat and possible others). You may pose as a friend but you are here to do the similar deed as this fellow had done.
any person who reads this thread and has been following my work and IPC for years (way before you ended up here) would conclude that you are a wolf in sheep clothing and you are truly here for alter motives.
A monarchist in disguise, same as your buddy (who brought you here), only to damage IPC.
Are you dumb or are you playing dumb?
Am I delusional, paranoid and psychotic or are you playing dumb in here and do the dance for your monarchist buddies?
You must be either innocent but confused and used as a tool for Pahlaviist Agendas, or you are part of this wave to trash and bash IPC.
So this is just a game and a forum to pass time for you?
Or you are the same as Bache Kuni who bull shiites but has an alter motive (Hezbollah) but in your case (Shahollah)?
You choose to laugh due to the ignorance of what am I really all about.
Or
You are programmed to laugh due to pre-planned programs and orders coming from High Ranking Monarchists.
You may write some philosophy in here and then copy paste the same thing over there in Activist Chat (A Monarchist Undemocratic Org.) and it will be all a show to you for displaying your intellect, knowledge and show it off to the world. This whole deal is maybe a joke to you.
Now I am not saying that, but can you blame me for being cautious to open my arms to you and shake your hand as a friend?
“Shah was a practical man.”
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