Like Your Political Views but Question Your Philosophical Views?!
This one amongst hundreds of e-mails had caught my eyes, so I decided that it deserves an answer. Name, E-mail and private information are blanked as usual to protect the privacy of the reader:
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From: Steve ….. <…@...net >
To:
IPC.Founder@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Subject: Like your political views!
Dear Ahreeman X,
I enjoyed reading your site. You seem an intelligent man. I’m not that smart, but would like to discuss another intelligent man if that’s OK with you. He was a Jewish man, and his name was Albert Einstein and theorized about all that exist. He proved the existence of Time, and Space, and Matter, and Energy! And this is all he could prove mathematically to exist in the known universe. But think about it! Is that all that is? How did he come to this conclusion? Two other things exist that cannot be mathematically proven to be, and yet we spend a lot of space, time, matter, energy, and money on them, and they are mind and spirit. Without Mind and Spirit we would have to theories! Now Matter, Energy, Time, and Space are temporal, matter rots, energy wanes, space is filled, and time is gone. But the spirit of a people can last their lives, and at times beyond. I still remember the tales of brave men fighting for right against what seemed impossible odds. And I know the thoughts of many intelligent men live past their days. And the truths we have found with our minds (as simple as 1 + 1 = 2) are absolute, they will not decay, they will not change! But it’s kind of funny this what seem, (pardon the twisted logic, but I’m uneducated and cannot find the words to express this reality) this part of the absolute, which is also a part of our lives can not be proven to exist. That raises a question, since we cannot prove that mind and spirit exist should we believe in them? But if we can’t believe in them and they are the foundation for all else that exists we are in a dilemma! So I guess we have to believe in them even if we have no proof! I wonder what other things exist that we deny merely because we lack proof? Whatever, I am just an uneducated man, but I did enjoy your site. Maybe I'll tell you about 'blue' later.
Have a good day, and may God bless you,
Steve
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“Dear Ahreeman X,”
Dear Steve:
“I enjoyed reading your site.”
I’m glad you did.
“You seem an intelligent man.”
Only seem?! I thought I was one!
“ I’m not that smart,”
That is not true because you are an IPC reader. How can you not be smart and be an IPC reader? This is an Oxymoron!
“ but would like to discuss another intelligent man if that’s OK with you.”
If it’s OK with you then it must be OK with me.
“ He was a Jewish man,”
Those damn Jews again! I simply can’t escape them! Jesus, Einstein, Seinfeld …They find me everywhere!
“ and his name was Albert Einstein and theorized about all that exist. He proved the existence of Time, and Space, and Matter, and Energy!”
Correction: He did not prove the existence of Time, Space, Matters and Energies. No one needs to prove their existence because we can sense and measure them either directly or indirectly (with tools) with our 5 senses.
What Einstein did was gave us a present: Theory of Relativity. Everything including Time, Space and everything else is relative to one another and everything else. Scientifically nothing is absolute (such as your God)!
“ And this is all he could prove mathematically to exist in the known universe.”
Wrong statement indeed. See above please.
E=mc2Energy equals Mass times Speed of Light square.
This is what Einstein gave us. This is not a theory but a factual formula. Formulas are real mathematics. This revolutionized the science. That’s all that he had to do. Very few people can even do a fraction of what he done.
“ But think about it! Is that all that is? How did he come to this conclusion? Two other things exist that cannot be mathematically proven to be,”
Yes they can.
“ and yet we spend a lot of space, time, matter, energy, and money on them, and they are mind and spirit. “
I’m glad that you brought this subject up. Read:
Brain and Mindhttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htmIn this research I have proven that:
1. Mind and Spirit exist.
2. Mind and Spirit exist because of Brain and Human
3. Without Brain and Human, Mind and Spirit cannot existIn other words, my brain created mind and I created God, not vice versa!
“Without Mind and Spirit we would have to theories!”
Not necessarily! There are little things called “Laws of Physics” and laws are not theories. They are laws and facts. For example:
It is Theory of Relativity and it is Theory of Evolution but now let me hand you a Law:
Conservation Law of Matters and Energies:Energies and Matters were never created, will never be destroyed, but they will always change from one form to another or to each other. The total amount of energies and matters will always remain the same.You say the same thing about God (he is eternal and infinite) but the difference is that you can’t prove what you say and you can only believe in it via faith. On the contrary, we can prove what we say scientifically.
So as you see, no God created the matters and energies.
“ Now Matter, Energy, Time, and Space are temporal, matter rots, energy wanes, space is filled, and time is gone.”
Everything you stated is scientifically flawed and wrong. Read above law again. Nothing dies, but everything changes from one form to another.
“ But the spirit of a people can last their lives, and at times beyond. I still remember the tales of brave men fighting for right against what seemed impossible odds. And I know the thoughts of many intelligent men live past their days. And the truths we have found with our minds (as simple as 1 + 1 = 2) are absolute, they will not decay, they will not change! But it’s kind of funny this what seem,”
Now you are talking symbolic! Symbolic words are pretty but as a scientist, I deal with logic not literature!
What does sacrifice, bravery, decency and morality has to do with belief in God and Religion? They have everything to do with human decency.
A thinking man does not need Jesus, Pope and Church to teach him on how to be a noble man.
“ (pardon the twisted logic, but I’m uneducated and cannot find the words to express this reality)”
Don’t ever say that! You maybe not school educated but street wise. You have a life time of experience and this is worth gold. Do not underestimate your mind. You can move the world with your mind.
“ this part of the absolute, which is also a part of our lives can not be proven to exist.”
I just proved that they exist. Also science argues that nothing is absolute. Absolutism is illogical and can only be believed via faith. A logical man cannot believe in things by faith but by proof.
“That raises a question, since we cannot prove that mind and spirit exist should we believe in them?”
They do exist and we can believe in them but they cannot exist without us!
“ But if we can’t believe in them and they are the foundation for all else that exists we are in a dilemma! “
They are not the foundation of everything that exists! You and I are the foundations of everything that exists. Without you and I, elements of Thought, Mind and God cannot exist.
“So I guess we have to believe in them even if we have no proof! I wonder what other things exist that we deny merely because we lack proof?”
Tooth fairy?
Santa Clause?
Elves?
Boogey man?
Brain of Jimmy Carter?
Obama’s US birth certificate?
“Whatever, I am just an uneducated man, but I did enjoy your site.”
You cannot be an uneducated man because you did enjoy my site! There’s a logic for you!
You maybe not schooled but you are educated!
“ Maybe I'll tell you about 'blue' later.”
Tell me about it!
Tell me about the Blue and I will tell you about the Blues! I am the Bluesman!
“Have a good day, and may God bless you,”
Thank you and in return, I wanted to say that may Allah bless you and Mohammed loves you, but then again I thought that maybe a condemnation, so I avoided it!!!!!
“Steve”
Cheers buddy
OK, a few things:
I. Read:
Brain and Mind
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm
Philosophical Corner
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm
Religion, Living in Fantasy
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm
Alien Factor
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm
Theory of Everything
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm
II. I would gladly discuss philosophy with you (as much as time allows) but I do not discuss anything in E-mails. Discussions belong in the forum. Join the club and do it in the forum, so the public can benefit. Start a topic in a proper room and I will respond as often as I can:
IPC Club
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/
III. Sorry for delay responding to you but have in mind that I have to publish the largest Iranian website in the world. That is a lot of work! But better late than never.
Many are schooled, yet only a few are truly educated!
Now aside from philosophy,
1. Are you a hardcore GOP member? If not, are you conservative?
2. If so, will you quit GOP and join the 3rd party if Sarah Palin creates one?
Cheers
AX